we don't know what happened. lets have a proper investigation to find out.

The government knew that the WTC was going to be attacked.

There only needs to be one person within "The government" who knew about the impending attack, or who aided and abetted the attackers, for 9/11 to be considered an Inside Job.

No bribes necessary for the LIHOP theory.

And it becomes even more plausible (perhaps even probable) when you look into the Bush family ties to the intelligence community, the Bin Laden family, and historically: their ties to the Nazis and the international drugs/weapons black market.

They are Reptilians my friend. Nothing is too cold-blooded for them.

I've heard you label a few people as "Reptillian". Is that like a secret society or something? Forgive me, I'm new.

Some conspiracy theorists believe that the Elite bloodlines actually trace back to reptilian aliens that interbred with humans thousands of years ago.

http://truthism.com

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/David_Icke

I do not believe this theory.

So it is possible to be a 9/11 "truther" without questioning the events of the day itself, rather the shady deals going on behind the scenes that resulted in the event.

Personally I think Flight 93 was shot down.

If Cheney had ordered the flight heading to the Pentagon to be shot down, it would almost certainly have to be covered up from the media and general public.

Even if standard protocol says that a hijacked suicide plane is an enemy weapon and should be destroyed, the American public would never accept it.

It would absolutely have to be covered up in some way. Perhaps with a feel-good story involving heroic everyday Americans standing up and sacrificing themselves for Freedom and Democracy! *sniff* Oh beautiful for spacious skies, for unconvincing wreckage of plane.

Hell, we could even make a movie about it to further "catapult the propaganda" into people's minds.

Probably 300-400 souls were involved in the 911 attacks. Maybe a few dozen were expendable laborers/patsies and a few dozen actual Americans were duped into highly compartmentalized involvement. But the vast majority of participants were Israelis or American dual-citizens who remain silent out of patriotic loyalty to Israel. This isn't at all implausilbe, seeing how a hundred times that number remained silent about America's "Manhattan" nuclear project.

I doubt if there are ANY particpants who participated only for a bribe. Any still-living Gentiles are being blackmailed with assassination threats or videotapes what would ensure their prosecution for treason (that is, if people were actually prosecuted for treason any more.).

See also here.

I don't know that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon. Maybe the coopted authorities are withholding Pentagon videos so that the phony missile story could take root to eventually "discredit" truth seekers.

The families WERE bribed; they were bought off with court settlements -- NOT ONE FAMILY HAS HAD THEIR DAY IN COURT, BECAUSE THE LITIGATION IS CONTROLLED BY A ZIONIST JUDGE & MASTER.

The buildings were rigged by Israeli crews.

Among the rest of them... who is going to provide witness protection, seeing how our entire Federal government has been hijacked by Zionists (they even brag about it).

Your "inquiry" has, at every turn, taken a diversionary tack. That, along with your "NZ" screen name, are hasbara giveaways.

Bottom line is that Israel is busted, and so are you. Soon your beloved Israel will be a glass parking lot, courtesy of the American people. Lulz.

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It's not a skyscraper, but in my hometown there is a centre, about 8 stories high. In the middle of this is a rig of cables that hold the building together. I have not seen these personally, but know people who have.

Apparently if the cables break, so does the building. It might be a style of construction.

edit: I will have to ask someone about it later to check if it is true, there is nothing about it on their website and whilst googling comes up with 'cable stayed' structures, these are bridges and roof from what I can see.

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Oh seriously. Why reply? Cables! Thats actually downright funny!

There's a lot of compartmentalization and need-to-know information going around in different government agencies, not to mention different levels of security clearances. It really only takes a few people to know the whole plan and then a few hundred/thousand people working in different areas of various government agencies to carry it out. The idea is that, each individual only knows his part he doesn't know what the other hands are doing and therefore not many would easily figure out that they were part of a bigger plan. This is a concept used time and time again and this how the people in power get away with all kinds of things not just 9/11. Having said that, there are so many aspects to 9/11 and so much disinformation that I don't know that we will ever get an exact explanation as to what happened, but I would have to say I am leaning way more toward inside job then the movie-version we've been spoon fed.

Yes but on the other hand, in that particular instance you wouldn't need to bribe people who wired the building because it wouldn't benefit them to out themselves. Not to mention, the fact that we are still debating this and there are many who doubt the official story is proof that whatever they did worked. Do we know the full story? No. Are people arguing over it 9 years later? Yes. Mission accomplished, guys. Think about the big picture here and realize that events like this and others don't happen in a vacuum. Who really benefited from 9/11? The shadow government who coincidentally not only have all the power and resources to cover up whatever happened AND have been taking away our freedoms and pushing us into various theater wars using 9/11 as an excuse.

Look, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm just stating what I've found in my research to be true. If you've researched this and you're comfortable believing the official story, fine. Many people are uncomfortable with information that opposes the world view and would rather look for information that supports their view no matter how ridiculous. I also understand that from your perspective, you could think that's what I'm doing. I've simply found that compartmentalization and control of information is a function of many government agencies most notably the C.I.A. and the same goes for intelligence agencies throughout the world. The fact that there are levels of Top Secret and above clearance, that even the President doesn't have the clearance to access pieces of information is a blatant example of this. To think they don't take advantage of this fact is an optimistic but somewhat naive view. Also, I don't claim I know everything that happened on 9/11 but I do firmly believe that what they told us happened is not the whole truth. There is a lot of gray area in our daily lives, what makes us think something as big as 9/11 is black & white?

"work"?

On ANZAC day?

90,000+ ANZAC troops died for your right to slack off today, GarethNZ. Why do you hate freedom?

My opinion is similar to Johnny_Cash. The "hijackers" were obstensibly Saudis and the whole operation was supposedly planned in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is a family-tyranny where people live in constant danger from police annd military. It's unlikely that there are many conspirators in the US. It would be far easier to make a request of the Saudi regime to carry out the attacks and then rely on them to keep it quiet.

Could yolu expand a little on those questions?

Thanks. I put hijackers in quotes because of the many contridictions that emerge from the limited investigation so far. What we do know indicates that the event was allowed to happen. Professional pilots have come out to declare that the maneuver required to turn the planes around in a tight time frame would be impossible for a pro, much less an amateur. There are many more inconsistancies so I leave the question of legitimate hijacking open.

Rigging the towers would not be as difficult as we are led to believe. All that would have been required are charges at ground level and around the area of impact. We know that at least 2 explosions were heard coming from ground level, any from above are still in question. There is no need to wire the entire buildings; that is a red herring put up by those opposed to an investigation.

The object of terrorism is to get people to fear you. Whenever an attack of any sort takes place many groups rush to take responsibility. What I find extremely puzzling for the official story is how the suspect group was named within hours and the list of suspects released immediately afterward.

I also think that many of the theories that have emerged are fanciful and are reactions to stress. If a proper investigation had been carried out I think that the motivations for the attacks and the implementation would turn out to much more simple than supposed.

I take it from your handle that you're in New Zealand. I'm in Canada. I don't believe that I've had the pleasure of a conversation with a Kiwi before.

On the day of 9/11 I was in the same state of shock as everyone else. The next day however I became a skeptic because even the few details that had emerged did not stack up. At first my focus was on the Pentagon and the crash in Pennsylvania. I've written much on those topics already in other posts so I won't bring those up here.

There are just so many reasons to think that the jets that hit the towers were false flags. First is the problem of turning the planes around without crashing. Then we have the coincidence of all 4 aircraft being Boeing 757s, aircraft that were unpopular, being phased out, and cheap to obtain. Once the towers came down and everything was pulverized we are asked to believe that the wallet of a hijacker is the only item to survive intact? All of this and more make the official story preposterous.

I don't bookmark every page that I read so please understand that this is 3rd hand info. Pilots familiar with 757s have come out to say that even under optimal flying conditions they would have had trouble duplicating the quick turn needed to fit the time frame. At the time the aircraft left the control area and broke radar contact the planes would not have reached cruising altitude or their top speed. So a hijacker would have taken over the plane at a speed and altitude that rendered manuevers improbable. And, given that none of the hijackers were trained to fly 757, I would move that into the realm of impossible. For another perspective:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405

I investigated the construction of the towers and found that they had been built differently from other buildings, incorporating a new technique that reduced weight and swaying caused by the wind. It took me a while to figure out how the demolition could have been carried out. Then I found that someone had beaten me to it in this article:

http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id2.html

The last man out of tower 2, the first to fall, says that as he was getting out he heard the explosions coming from the sub-basement. I have no link for you though. Here's a good summary piece if want to wade though it:

http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-09/911-attack-job.html

Groups claiming responsibility usually contact government agencies or the news media. News media get so many calls from people claiming responsibility for any number of crimes that all are turned over to the FBI. The FBI then informs the news media as to what claims are news-worthy. At times this arrangement works to public favour by trashing bogus reports early. At other times, like 9/11, it can be used to mislead. Based upon what normally happens, I find it unlikely that only one group claimed responsibility.

I'm not one to propose motives. I only look at the facts as they are to raise my doubts as to the event itself and the reasons behind it. Too many people stray from facts into fantasy and that is where the 9/11 truth movement loses credibility. What I will say is this - nothing complicated works. That is to say, the more complicated a machine or a plan, the more there is to go wrong. On 9/11 simply too many things went right for me to think that the plan was as complex as some believe. I may be wrong on this point so I'm always open to new information or ideas, so long as they stick to facts.

bribed? what do you think this is a freaking money laundering racket, when the big boys want to keep people quiet, they threaten them with death\loss of job\or public humiliation on the news

threats do work: see mafia

there are over 15 feature length documentaries on this subject and about 10000 websites, here is a good place to start but its all on you to find the truth, no one is just going to sum it up in one nice paragraph

here is a movie which includes information on who were on those planes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW23PuBKiA0

I've heard you label a few people as "Reptillian". Is that like a secret society or something? Forgive me, I'm new.

So it is possible to be a 9/11 "truther" without questioning the events of the day itself, rather the shady deals going on behind the scenes that resulted in the event.

Personally I think Flight 93 was shot down.