The entire conspiracy is bullshit. It was during the height of the cold war and the Soviets had sophisticated tracking technology. If we had faked the moon landing they would have called us out on it. Although the part about it being made of cheese is plausible.

Are you looking at /r/conspiracy right now? Please go upvote this post:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/e6or9/nwo_defeated_on_reddit/

as shills are downvoting it into the dirt.

On an actually related note, urbantumbleweed is probably right. I doubt they would have gone to all of the effort of making satellites without figuring out how to launch animals into space, as well - and didn't we successfully put monkeys up there? What about the International Space Station? That would have to be a hoax, too. No, I think Bart whats-his-face was just stirring up rabble. What did you expect from FOX?

So you're getting downvoted in another subreddit, so you decided to create another user name (same as submission title) to ask for help in this subreddit? Screw you.

Does it ever occur to you that people have no fucking clue what your'e talking about, don't find it relevant to anything besides you having a paranoid circle jerk for yourself and that's why it's being downvoted? I mean, I know there are cointelpro people on every forum and website, but you really do seem to have an unwarranted persecution complex. You making fake accounts and asking people who don't give a shit to upvote something that makes no sense anyway is pretty lame. Why don't you focus your energy on something important and ignore these supposed 'shills'.

Why don't you focus your energy on something important and ignore these supposed 'shills'.

I can't think of a single thing more important to do than this.

Does it ever occur to you that people have no fucking clue what your'e talking about, don't find it relevant to anything besides you having a paranoid circle jerk for yourself and that's why it's being downvoted?

I didn't say it would be easy to figure the whole thing out, but I made a very concerted effort to provide every piece of evidence I could conceivably get to show exactly what's happening here. As a whole, the body of evidence I have collected is EXTREMELY incriminating.

No, it's not a paranoid circlejerk. If you were in my shoes, you'd realize just how much of a stake these people have in discrediting me - five months of literally nonstop harassment, even without the surrounding context, based on the postings that have been made with this "ghibmmm" account, is sufficient to show their conflict of interest.

Sorry, see my other response.

I can't think of a single thing more important to do than this.

Jesus. Go outside or something.

I go outside all the time. How about you stop following me?

Nah.

screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/Pj1hT.png

There we have it, again. Deny all accusations, and when I call you out for following me, and ask you politely to stop, for the billionth time, it's "we're doing this for fun," or just, "nah."

You're a sociopath, Facehammer. You're the deranged one. I backed up all my statements with scientific rigor, and you harassed me for months. Without any reason, besides your own greed.

You backed up jack shit. Your idea of scientific rigour would get you laughed out of any university in the land. I'll leave you alone when you stop being so wrong.

"He's crazy, he's crazy! Nobody pay attention to what he's saying! Oh, shit, they're paying attention."

I can't think of a single thing more important to do than this.

I can help. Go see a psychiatrist, Dusty. You're a crazy person

The theory is that the moon landing is Cold War propaganda. It's said the mission was not possible, for many reasons (ie, radiation belts). It's said the cameras would not have worked; the temperatures are too extreem for the film. It is said that much of the evidence of the lunar landing is fake or missing (which is odd since it is said to be the greatest achievement ever). There is the reluctance of the astronauts to answer questions about it, and the oddities in their stories when they do tell it.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there seems to be little to no hard evidence of a lunar landing. Much of the evidence, such as a mirror left on the moon, could have been planted by a robot.

The lunar landing could be verified. There should be a flag, along with other items left on the moon. A picture should be easy enough to acquire. Oddly, the government has asked that companies and other space agencies not go near the lunar landing site, in order to preserve its state.

So, that's the basis of the story. We know there is lots of Cold War propaganda. Was the lunar landing part of the Cold War propaganda? That's definitely a maybe.

I assume this will be written off as govt conspiracy at work, but what about the LRO photos of the landing sites?

Those are hardly conclusive. I'd like to see good photos from Branson or one of the Google landers.

I don't doubt we could place trash on the moon; I'm not sure that humans have visited the moon. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A lunar landing is among the most extraordinary of claims. That evidence should be independently sourced.

Regardless, the moon landing did happen in that the effects of the story took us from the modern era of civilization to the post-modern era. Propaganda or not, it is a major turning even for society.

What do you think of the videos of the massive, high speed, exploding projectiles from the September 11 attacks? In that case, there are multiple sources of video.

There's no fucking moon to land on. The End.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

Damnit Piccolo!

What has happened over the years since Apollo is that the public has been force-fed a "this or that" storyline that revolves around one of two options - either yes, they went to the Moon and it is all true, or no, they did not or could not go and instead faked the whole thing. Sadly, the Apollo conspiracy (and there most definitely is a conspiracy) is not nearly as black or white a debate as that.

Yes, they went to the Moon during Apollo, and yes, they lied to you about it as well. The primary reason they were forced to lie was to cover up the evidence that proved the existence of past intelligent extra-terrestrial life that had been discovered in space and on the Moon.

The now-famed "Brookings Report" published in 1961 helps provide some framework behind why this lie (known as the "Dead Moon Dictum") was established, and during the Apollo era specifically, NASA was deliberately given their own incredibly wide interpretation of Executive Order 10501 and the definition of the term "National Defense" to follow, and NASA's version of that particular Executive Order forced them to paint a broad "classified" brushstroke over just about anything that could be deemed controversial at all - and certainly forced them to cover-up anything related to the discovery of extra-terrestrial life in space or on the Moon (past or present).

Here is an article that is well worth reading if you are really interested in beginning to explore the idea of the Apollo lies. It focuses primarily on the proof to demonstrate that astronauts Conrad and Bean conducted an entirely covert, off-the-record EVA during their Apollo 12 mission to Statio Cognitium, and it also contains plenty of other verifiable tidbits of evidence that just begin to touch on several other vital facets of the Apollo coverup. Nothing in this article has been debunked, and as you will see, NASA was actually caught red-handed here blatantly admitting/leaking in an official document that they did in fact conduct an EVA during Apollo 12 that for 40 years the public was never told about! http://magicufo.blogspot.com/2010/10/nasas-off-record-operations-unveiled.html

A word of caution - do not expect an understanding of this subject matter to come easily. It is not something you can gain a complex appreciation of by just spending a couple hours looking into it. However, if you are truly willing to devote the time and effort to digging into this with an open (but still honest and skeptical) mind, you will discover that there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate that you are not being told anything close to the "full truth" about what really went on during the Apollo Program.

So, what evidence is there that this is specifically the case? Genuine question, I find this all interesting and I'm not sure where to start. Certainly there is enough evidence to suggest that some things have been kept under wraps, but what about the past civilization specifically?

Some believe that the Van Allen Radiation Belt is lethal to humans, so we couldn't have landed on the moon--we're dead from radiation exposure. I do not agree with this theory, just throwing it out there.

Exactly, if they had parked in the Van Allen Belt then that would have been game over, but they were through it in a few hours at the speed they were travelling at.

It's still quite an uncomfortably high level, but not directly life-threatening.

The only number of people who can successfully keep a secret is one.

125,000 people worked on the Manhattan project. LOL.

Which we all know about.

Yea.. now we do.. We didn't when it was going on. Also, haven't you ever heard of Top Secret and Above Top Secret Security Clearance and Non-Disclosure Agreements? There's top secret things going on all the time that is not disclosed to the public under the guise of National Security. Sorry, but this is an excuse people often use, that secrets this big can't be kept, but they are.. all the time.

eh, (shrugs)

The russians knew about the manhattan project before the first test fires and those are the guys the whole secrecy was setup against.

Oh and the Wikileaks leaker also had all the necessary clearances, just as the guys that leaked the watergate scandal.

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Eh? you do get that the Russians were pretty serious about destroying the West at that moment right? Globalism is pretty new and as the leaked cables show not even close to organized enough to pull of huge conspiracies. (The Russians weren't the only ones with trackers, there were even some Italian dudes that were listening in on the broadcasts of all major players)

Which was penetrated by the Soviets very thoroughly.

Exactly! Thousands of intelligent people worked on the Apollo project. Many of them would have known something wasn't right. Do you really think they all would have kept their mouths shut after all these years?

Yes.. Non-Disclosure agreements, security clearance, compartmentalization of information, need to know basis of information being spread around and threatening employees lives and their families lives are all tactics that are used to keep these things under wraps. Oh not to mention, the flock herds itself, the masses often don't believe whistleblowers even when they do reveal these secrets.

The only number of people who can successfully keep a secret is one.

So you're saying they're all shapeshifting reptilians? ;)

That's REALLY naive

Do you really buy into the idea that a whole shit ton of people, people who aren't CIA/FBI, but a bunch of fx specialists, set builders, camera men, reporters and government people could and would keep a secret for 50 years when the tech and possiblity are so ready available and a book-deal would net a fortune?
people are opportunistic and clumsy at best on average.

And that's even ify.

It was filmed on a secret sound stage on Mars.

Here's my most optimistic opinion. They faked the photos of the moon landing - some were edited, some were faked. There are secrets surrounding the moon landings and there was a murder and cover up - I don't know for sure why. But the idea that we did not go to the moon at all was a very high profile conspiracy - fox even ran the documentary - and there was even an Alex Jones type who was famously punched by Buzz Lightyear - or somebody like that. But anyway the "we faked the moon landings" is probably a red herring. They did something with the moon and it was weird. Check out most uncomfortable public statement in human history: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro just watching it makes me want to loosen my collar.

But aside from that I want to know if the Van Allen radiation belts are a serious enough obstacle. And we'll soon find out - if we send a manned flight to Mars we can compare the shielding. If we haven't been lied to then this should be easy right?

I can't really decide, Soviets having tracking technology isn't proof we went. As far as I can tell there isn't really good proof other than, "they wouldn't be able to get away with it." Totally unconvincing. It is claimed we went to the moon - there is little evidence to support the claim as far as I can tell.

Look at the computers that were available back then. You are leaving one moving object to land on another. Very complicated math there. The micro computers were Flintstones style. The only programing language for them was assembler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

Its almost like people could do complex mathematical calculations by hand before the advent of modern computers. Crazy!

You can always do them without a computer. It just takes time. In a spaceship traveling at very high speed, you don't have much time for even a small mistake.

Good thing they had time before launch to plan the trajectories, huh?

Their whole trajectory was set out beforehand, the computer was there to fine tune it and give the real-time results. You do know that they used even simpler computers to calculate artillery trajectories right? These calculations are pretty easy, the most important thing is that you do them fast, exactly why they used the Apollo computer (and spares, the thing was extremely redundant)

I was pretty incredulous about the moon landing conspiracies until I saw the massive framework on the ground with which NASA could fake the entire thing. The 20' plaster of paris moon model, the track for the camera, the massive crane constructed above a fake lunar surface, were all unknown to me. Check out http://apolloreality.bravehost.com/.

That site makes some pretty ridiculous claims: "However no rocket powered LM was ever ever suspended from this crane. In any case anyone with the slightest gumption knows that it is impossible to control a rocket engine."

What? The whole point of the crane is to simulate the landing, and the site whines about no real rocket being used? Do they understand the point of simulation? The second one (It's impossible to control a rocket engine) is even more insane.

There are a few dubious claims made by this website, but I think his criticisms are generally sound and his evidence pretty convincing. While looking at the photos on http://apolloreality2.bravehost.com/ I have to admit that he's just pointing out what now appears obvious. (Scroll down to "The front end of this LM appears"...)

Relevant :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw

Watch this video from 1:10.

There's lots of connections between Kubrick and the CIA. Propaganda was an important reason for the moon landing. When it lost it's power, we stopped going to the moon. Personally I think Kubrick did record a fake moon landing. Something to be distributed in case things went badly, and there was a very good chance that would happen. There's also the popular theory that NAZI rocket scientists were there long before, in contact with extraterrestrials on Earth and the whole moon landing was pure public fluff.

Apparently there are a whole shitload of color videos from the actual moon land, that was "lost".

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I don't think it's that curious. Returning now would be a pure science play, and at least in the US, that's not possible any longer -- it would be called socialism or communism or whatever and shouted down by the confidently wrong.

Pick up the book Full Moon. I don't see how you can spend time with that and believe that it's faked.

Just one more theory designed to take away another of man's greatest accomplishments, like the idea that the Egyptians didn't create the pyramids.

... and the primitive people who didn't discover the wheel didn't build the Puma Punku. </s>

I assume this will be written off as govt conspiracy at work, but what about the LRO photos of the landing sites?

You backed up jack shit. Your idea of scientific rigour would get you laughed out of any university in the land. I'll leave you alone when you stop being so wrong.