This reminds me of a sort of epiphany I had about conspiracy theories.

Basically, they can be comforting. It'd be nice to believe that we aren't just a bunch of idiots flailing around, chasing things as petty as money, willing to endorse things as terrible as Soulja Boi just so some exec can make a dollar. It'd be better if there was this thing behind it, a method to the madness. Everything is calculated, someone's in control. They may be a heartless and evil dickhead, but they're still not gonna let shit get out of hand to the point where they no longer control it.

It's almost 7 in the morning and I haven't slept, so I hope that made at least a bit of sense.

Just like religion, non?

Oui, but those who'd like to be convinced that they're questioning shit, without actually going out on the limb.

I hate this crap so much. We have so many enemies in the world right now, so many lies to deal with, and all of them quite tangible. The Illuminati is just a gigantic red herring, if anything, and it continues to be a black mark on any "truth hunter" that reveals him/herself to the public. Look at what is going on in the world today! Increasingly bad gaps in wealth, police corruption, government corruption, etc, all worldwide. No country is safe! Just today I watch a video showing protesters being arrested BEFORE THE PROTEST EVEN BEGINS!

Then! Then you have more than a few lies about the possibility for aliens and other "fringe" ideas. Secrets that are kept to "keep the public calm", rather than aid in overall human enlightenment. Dusty tomes of "classified" documents that were classified because someone thought they knew better than everyone else.

So just ask yourself, sir, is the Illuminati real? I think we have enough tangible enemies to chase before we start barking up imaginary ones. And yes, I realize your stance on this appears to be the same as mine, but your friends preoccupation with fiction is PRECISELY the point of the Illuminati myth.

I think there is plenty of evidence that there are groups which are in the shadows behind the scenes, pulling strings. I think there's evidence of multiple groups, sort of like fiefdoms. Do any of these groups call themselves the "Illuminati" or other popular conspiracy-based names? Maybe. Maybe not. More likely, "Illuminati" is a convenient label for those who are behind the scenes, whose ideologies promote an almost religious lust for power and possibly have power roots going back millennia. We know there are secret societies from the fact that some fizzle, and some are exposed. Is it unreasonable to believe there are those which have yet to be?

As for the symbolism, I think it is mixed. Some of it is very possibly intentional symbolism with nefarious goals. Almost certainly another portion is just people playing with symbols which they don't really understand. I've seen the videos showing the hip-hop crap. I don't listen to hip-hop but some of the imagery, with its styling, and the consistency of the lyrical themes, suggest that there MAY be something more going on behind the scenes. Hooray for the culture industry.

For what it's worth, if there IS such a group, or sets of groups, would they not be behind the scenes in the financial system, corporatocracy, and global governmental structures? It's not like we're any more likely to see someone actually go to jail for the Iraq lies than for being a part of a "mythical" elite...

The fact is, there ARE plenty of groups and individuals "in the shadows", in the sense that you never hear or will know of them. It happens every day in government, and a sizable amount OF government is kept from public eye. If you want to know who the Illuminati is? It's the government, regardless of country. It is the indentured slavery we willingly vote ourselves in to every election year, and refuse to dig ourselves out of.

Even worse, particularly in my country (USA), are the laws and the behavior of the enforcement of those laws. If you think police corruption is bad, you should see the raw and unlimited power granted to FBI agents in their respective witch hunts. It doesn't matter who gets burned, or how illegal the methodology behind the burning is, all that matters to the FBI is that someone gets blamed.

With this in mind, Prowler33, how can you even put a joking stock in "Illuminati"? Everyone in the shadow already has a name, and those without names aren't super genius evil chess players that plot the destruction of the world for Millennia.

[Everyone in the shadow already has a name, and those without names aren't super genius evil chess players that plot the destruction of the world for Millennia.]

And their names are? How can you know that there is not some element of that (minus the silly quip about chess players)?

That isn't how proof works. If you say there are, you have to prove it. I am saying there is no evidence that cannot be explained by the already obvious evils we currently face every day.

Edit: Yay, downvotes for logic! I love this subreddit!

This depends on what you're trying to prove. As it is, I'm saying that it is possible, which is trivial to prove. It IS possible. The burden of proof that it is not ACTUAL is on you. Incidentally, due to the nature of the topic, you cannot reasonably prove that it is not actual because you cannot gather and present perfect data about everything and everyone.

Your terrible grammar aside, you are not entirely wrong. If your assertion is simply "It is possible", then that is perfectly fine. On the other hand, it is equally cromulent for me to say "it is possible that little green leprechauns dance on the moon when we aren't looking". This may let me escape the burden of proof, but it's the weakest argument you could ever possibly present.

There is an old world order, and a new world order. They are one and the same. At the top, is Satan.

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The Illuminati worships the Lightbringer aka Lucifer, the one who fell to Earth at pre-flood times. He reigned on Earth along with the other Nephilim for an eon, but his civilization was wiped out when God grew tired of mankind's evil. The Nephilim had corrupted the human race with their seed.

Now, as you see all the pre-conditioning for the modern-day public's first contact with alien life, thousands of UFO sightings, all the hype in the media, it is only a matter of time until the morning star, Lucifer, comes back to claim his throne as the beast out of the sea.

When I refer to the OWO, I am not referring to the present world order, but the one that existed years ago.

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I know it to be truth.

you should listen to hip hop man, it is awesome

I'm surprised noone has said it yet, but it's widely held that the illuminati was founded by weishaupt with rothschild backing. The illuminati then infiltrated freemasonry. Most prominent figures in history and to this day are freemason members.

In the years since then though, knowledge of disinfo leads me to believe all of the patsy talk about what happened prior to and after his arrest and the disbanding of the local Illuminati. It's that whole Kaiser Soze thing, make them think you don't exist.

I don't think there is any spooky secret societies running it all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Skull_and_Bones_members

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_and_Key#Notable_members

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf%27s_Head_%28secret_society%29#Notable_alumni

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The Illuminati is very real and is just as it is portrayed, It was originally a group of men of science who had to go underground to escape persecution by men of religion. They were the enlightened ones.

They formed rings around rings to protect themselves which were slowly replaced by others who had a different agenda.

The Illuminati of old is not the Illuminati of new,

Freemasonry makes good men better and weeds out the weeds as one ascends through the degrees

Interesting, what are your thoughts on the 'hidden hand' dialogue? He claims satanists and Illuminati are one in the same.

Yeah it's very confusing. I've done research on it and there's a lot of stuff that is very compelling but at the same time it's so hard to believe the scope of it all.

I simply don't know what to think!

You also have to take into account there's a lot of disinfo out there.

coughAlexJonescough

But what if the accusation that he is disinfo is actually disinfo; accusing others of what they themselves are doing, so they may be both neutralized and made a distraction, is one of the main NWO strategies.

This is why one must learn critical thinking skills, and why America doesn't teach them anymore.

EDIT: AJ's Bohemian Grove work is almost a self-tell re: being a disinfo agent.

In contemporary mythology, the Illuminati have been branded as the puppetmasters who stand behind the establishment, pulling the strings, orchestrating the enslavement of the people of the world. The opposite is true. The Illuminati have always led the resistance against the tyrants. On occasions, they have come tantalisingly close to success, but mostly they have endured catastrophic defeats. They have tried to infiltrate the establishment, tried Trojan Horse strategies, guerrilla tactics and popular uprisings, tried to win the intellectual and religious debate, tried to subvert and undermine the establishment. Most attempts have ended in disaster, with the establishment unmolested and more powerful than ever. But it is never acceptable to surrender or abandon the struggle.

Too many people retreat into their micro-worlds of petty comforts where they pose no threat to the establishment, and that's exactly what the establishment desire - our compliance and obedience, our refusal to stand up to them. The game of the establishment is nothing new. It was explicitly set out in Machiavelli's The Prince, which baldly states the unscrupulous principles of how those with power should hold onto it. Lying, cheating, brutality, cruelty, pitilessness, inspiring fear and terror, breaking solemn oaths, hypocrisy, greed, bribery and corruption, extermination of rivals, making pacts with your enemies only to break them when it suits you, are all advocated as necessary tools. This behaviour is still on display every day from every government on earth.

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Thisis actually close to what I think. There are several groups, some on the side of elites and their plans and a few on the side of the people (or at least in opposing the other societies for human betterment or their own control). I think multiple groups vying for control (whether most be malevolent and some benevolent) makes more sense than a singular group bringing elites together with one goal.

My honest opinion is that the Illuminati does not exist. Sure, there are probably a small group of individuals calling themselves the "Illuminati" -- people can call themselves anything. For example, some people call themselves Nazis, even though the Nazi Party was abolished in 1945. But calling yourself something doesn't mean that others should take you seriously. The idea that the Illuminati are a powerful group of wealthy men who control the destinies of nations is absurd.

They are actually "the sons of darkness" mentioned in the Kolbrin Bible. They are the opposite of what they appear (and believe themselves) to be, and everything they do is the opposite of what they appear to be doing. They serve "the father of lies," believing him to be God.

Much as many modern adherents to religions serve the corrupt, believing to serve God?

The crew are no saints, but these people own the ship.

(K-Rino)[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chN8YA7m4p0] does a great job describing what the music industry is about and why they control it. Also if you haven't heard of them, I'd read about the 85%'ers and you'll find a lot of hip hop artists subscribe to it.

The Illuminati is very real and is just as it is portrayed.

All over the globe high level intelligence people, political puppets and international bankers are working together to create a more integrated world.

It has the power it has because it is working to a larger agenda that outstrips the needs of any one man or country. It does not operate within the restrictions of boarders, race, or religion.

Do your research on the Royal Institute of International Affairs which was a primary think tank that put together a Anglo Saxon pact to go forward and and build a one world government.

People should embrace it. It would be easier if they just went ahead and reduced the population before establishing the New World Order.

Order which is being built out of chaos and ideology shifting false flag operations.

It wishes to remain unknown and likes being called a conspiracy theory which it can hide behind.

If they want an open borderless society, then why are the borders getting harder and harder to cross?

That's designed to instill fear and panic used to fuel the fight on the war on 'terror.'

IT does not operate within restrictions of borders, YOU are restricted within your borders

Lousy State, and it's State boundaries. At least they gave EU members a free pass to roam around a bit.

Canadians are pretty much locked into a cold climate. At some point, I'm going to flee this place.

http://www.sovereignman.com/