Iran and N Korea have no World Bank fucking things up. And until the Rothschilds and Schiffs and Warburgs and the rest of the elite families get their claws into those countries, Their sockpuppets will continue to beat the war drums as loud as they can, spouting any mumbo jumbo they have to, to promote their propaganda.

As long as the average American trusts what comes out of the White House, he is screwed. It is nothing but a ceaseless propaganda stream. If there is ever any truth, it is accidental.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, although Washington is more like a broken clock which is NEVER right.

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No need to go deep. These are but 2 countries the PTB don't have finite control over. Everything else that you've mentioned is but the moves of the chess pieces. Don't cloud up the issue with unneeded minutiae. As the pieces get moved about, some of those same pieces make their own moves.

The fact remains that those 2 countries are doing what they can to not be used as chess pieces by the PTB. Do I agree with their methods? What does it matter? I'm just a pawn on the board, just like you.

You've fallen into their conspiracy. Wake up.

Life is only complicated if you make it so.

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YOu're not going deep enough, elvis and tupac are at the core of iran.

The ptb realize their time is running out. They have been wanting to attack Iran for at least a decade. I really fear they are going to throw all caution to the wind and just do it regardless of what the world says. If they do attack Iran, which I fear they will, it will truly be the start of WWIII. I have a terrible feeling, I really hope I'm just being hyperbolic...

No need to be sorry. You make very excellent points.

I would hope Russia and China step in before Israel and the US do something irretrievably stupid but who know what games they themselves are playing. This is my own conjecture, of course, but it could be that Russia and China wait till after an attack on Iran to step in and look like the good guys in the eyes of the international community for standing up to Israel and the US...

While I hope that china and russia would get involved before it escalates to ww3, the "people in charge" will do everything they can to worsen the situation if they truly desire war - which means that russia and china will probably already be involved or busy via proxy wars. It's not like it will take much; russia already frowns at the US in afghanistan, and china is supporting pakistan almost as if to spite the US. Turkey is really distancing itself (relations soured recently) from israel and has a frightening military strength for such a small country. The whole region is a powder keg really, and it won't take a big spark to set it off.

The real problem lies in the fact that if israel is involved in ww3, which it no doubt will be, it might go ballistic on all its neighbors and spiral out of control before anyone can step in and "look like the good guy".

Ya, I worry about Israel the most. They seem to take an all-or-nothing approach to foreign policy and they surely see themselves (wrongly) as some kind of defenseless victim threatened by the world. It really isn't hard to imagine how far they'd go to keep that stature up. Not trying to give Obama credit where he hasn't much earned it, but sometimes I wonder if he doesn't kiss their ass to keep them from going ballistic, like the spouse of an abusive drunk. But then I look at his own administration's warmongering and think nah he's an 'abusive drunk' too.

Sorry. It's been a bad morning for me.

Honestly, your comment is pretty positive overall. I'd like to think we've turned a corner and that people scrutinize the government more now than they did a decade ago.

Good points, but Canada has some awfully mean police too (G20 protest example fits here) and as far as the war thing goes they are right there with you in Afganistan and are the leading force of the NATO mission in Lybia.

It's not as though the United States would gain anything, even if they successfully attacked and defeated and occupied Iran. They'd just have another Afghanistan on their hands, another Iraq.

Well, assuming the US won that war they'd be sitting on a very large amount of oil. They'd also have a huge population to release the corporations on and after the war (in which the US would almost certainly target civilian infrastructure) there'd be plenty of juicy contracts up for grabs...perhaps even a major pipeline from the Caspian to the Indian Ocean. There are definitely other reasons an invasion is so enticing. Removal of a regional power who is friendly to both Russia and China, direct access to the Caspian Sea, another addition to the encircling of Russia. Who knows what else there is?

They may bomb Iran but they wouldn't dare invade. Mighty it may be, but the U.S. does not have sufficient ground forces to pacify Iran.

sure they do

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Why would anyone kill an ambassador? To provoke a hostile military response. But Iran doesn't want a hostile military response. Well, let's look around and see if you can find a country that does want the United States to attack Iran militarily. Hmmm. Ah, Israel. Now I understand.

bingo

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The underwear bomber was a plant, a stooge. They made a deal with him, or at least promised him a deal, so that he would not take his case to trial in an open court of law. He will be betrayed, probably killed, by the CIA or some other agency given the dirty assignment.

The only things I'm buying are the incredible penchant for gullibility and stupidity most brainwashed americans possess, and the fact that iran could only stand to lose from this.

I like the end there. Classy! ^

1 less Sunni. oh lawd, they hate Sunnis.

It means they're getting desperate. The people who really run the world are running out of time to reach their agenda as the populace in countries all around the world is slowly waking up to what has really been going on around them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/us/odd-turn-for-mansour-arbabsiar-suspect-in-iranian-plot.html

The Obama re-election campaign has started. He probably thinks that he might be able to stop the drum beat of war after he gets elected but the I think the Israelis will have momentum on their side.

Lol, Obama is a pro-war corporatist shill. He will use that campaign money to get re-elected so that he can be behind the wheel when they try pulling this off.

It's pretty obvious with the latest shipment of cluster and bunker busters sent to Kuwait is to back up Israel when they attack Iran. It's also a magical story without anything backing it just in time for the holder "fast and furious" scandal to get the attention off himself. Also interesting that people in the military and FBI are saying the story isn't true. Looks like another war is coming our way.

The entire Iran situation is so fabricated these days it's ridiculous.

Sorry. I may be slow to the debate, but is the prevalent US media response to this Iran affair actually a call for war? I'm based in the UK and we seem to be missing this, but you're scaring the shit out of me!

No I havnt heard anything like that from anyone on the news. Fox is probably playing that angle but no one serious is calling for war.

Biden says "everything is on the table" though so who knows.

I heard something about this assassination attempt as being an act of war, but not necessarily that the US would retaliate in that manner. Still, it seems like they are laying the groundwork for something serious and that annoys and scares me.

Yeah I'm not buying it, either.

1. THIS PRES WILL DO NOTHING TO HARM A MOOSLUM COUNTRY.

2. HE ONLY TRIES TO HARM THIS COUNTRY.

3. WE NEED REAL AMERICAN LEADERS BACK IN CONTROL OF AMERICA. NEXT ELECTION, VOTE WITH INTELLIGENCE.

um, how can you say "THE PRES WILL DO NOTHING TO HARM A MOOSLUM COUNTRY" when he has waged war against at least 4 of them and killed millions of innocent "mooslums" since taking office in 2008?

An amazingly high-powered will to remain ignorant.

I can tell by the pixels that he's lying

Iran is about the Brain Dead Simpleton's in the Texas Oil Industry, who fund dumb Texas Republicans. If Perry gets "elected", then there will be War with Iran. $50 Trillion in Iranian Oil Reserves will Make It Happen.

Who Funded Bush? Who Funded Cheney?

Some kind of summary of the events relating to this iran debacle would be nice, can't find much online. Is the US going to war again? Is there evidence this plot involved Iran government?

I am so glad that we have unqualified non-experts like you to use confirmation bias on the President and catch him lying about things that you already think are lies. Smoking gun if I ever saw one. Bravo.

of course the voice of reason gets downvoted

yea, you sound really reasonable