Question: Would /r/conspiracy be interested in a communally developed world history from the lens of conspiracy minded folks?
92 2012-01-17 by Sarah_Connor
Think "peoples history of the united states" but built out by tinfoilers with the major events of concern plugged into a timeline.
We could structure this by century, then decade. Build out a bullet list of major events that occured during/between these time points and back it up with as much evidence as possible.
Basically, any event you happen to know a lot about, or some about, you could add the bullet and your links to the info.
The end result is a world timeline of tinfoil history.
(Also, I am honored to have been accepted as a mod here)
23 comments
12 Necronomiconomics 2012-01-17
There is already a project like this.
http://www.historycommons.org/timelines.jsp
It has multiple timelines on conspiracy events -- but it HAS TO BE SOURCED. No David Icke "Pepsi uses aborted fetuses" bullshit. There's plenty of facts to damn the Neocon perpetrators of 9/11 on existing source material, but you have to be a serious factual amateur historian to participate.
This weeds out the disinfo/COINTELPRO people to a large degree.
4 Sarah_Connor 2012-01-17
Yeah I was not thinking of unverifiable information, but like information on real people events such as the neocons rise to power from their positions in the CIA and as beginning aides in the 70s through their installation of CIA agents into the office of potus.
And think like dov zhakeim's role in building the Israeli military through the 80s to his thriving 2 trillion on 9/10. Unocal being installed as president of Afghanistan etc...
4 Necronomiconomics 2012-01-17
All of that is also traced at that website.
Examples:
Dov Zakheim http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=dov_s._zakheim
Unocal's Karzai http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=hamid_karzai
Unocal http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=unocal
9/11 Ringleader Michael Hayden (in coordination with Richard Myers) http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=michael_hayden
9/11 Ringleader Richard Myers (in coordination with Michael Hayden) http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=richard_b._myers
Read the entire 9/11 Timeline and you're guaranteed to discover bizarre facts you never heard about 9/11.
Also, I didn't mean to overlook Mueller, Freeh, Cheney, Rumsfeld & Poppy Bush. They're all in there too.
5 Sarah_Connor 2012-01-17
This is pretty awesome. I am glad you showed this to me, thanks. Ill have to spend some time digging into it to see if it was everything I had imagined.
Grats.
1 ikilledyourcat 2012-01-17
you are welcome to use the newly open to everyone sub r/area52 for this project
8 [deleted] 2012-01-17
Experience tells me:
If you think it's a good idea, you should pursue it.
Experience also tells me:
Even if the people in this subreddit say they think it's a good idea, what they mean is... sure, you go right ahead with that plan.
If it turns into something that the community likes, they'll contribute.
2 learnmore 2012-01-17
As the moderator of r/conspirafact I know this first hand. I've also experienced this in my local occupy movement. Let's do research! Means you do research.
3 oarabbus 2012-01-17
Absolutely yes. We all know how history is written extremely selectively. But hearing a conspiracy-minded world history adds more to the total accumulation of history out there.
It's kind of like how anecdotal experience isn't valid as evidence. A single study on human health is anecdotal in the grand scheme of things. But when you start looking over dozens of studies on the same topic, and there are meta-analysis and reviews, the big picture begins to emerge.
History, or news, or opinion from one outlet shows a limited, biased view of things, so if we can get all sorts of opinions out there it would be a good thing.
2 VanillaPudding 2012-01-17
That would be one beautiful disaster... Not the final product but the process!
1 Sarah_Connor 2012-01-17
need to identify the process. One option would be to start a subteddit, or a thread here. People events and info and they get rolled up into the main timeline based on others voting?
6 VanillaPudding 2012-01-17
People voting on one unified theory? ...never happen. Unless you poll about 5 ppl.
If you present all theories about our entire history then your talking massive...
4 treebright 2012-01-17
reddit is not a good vehicle for this. A wiki would be much better.
1 SlimFastForYou 2012-01-17
I agree with treebright, a different web site altogether would be desirable. Possibly a wiki, or a different site that may or may not include one. Reddit works on stories, which age and blend into the vast archives. Such a site could integrate with the subreddit somewhat. Or merely linked in submissions from time to time. I can provide free hosting (I have "unlimited" hosting because I already pay $15/mo at hostgator) if someone wants to buy a domain name. I might even be willing to put in a limited amount of time helping others build such a site (I know how to program but don't have much free time). Also, freedns.afraid.com can provide free subdomains (haha kinda like a subreddit). I have a (simple and limited) online c++ compiler hosted with the address http://doubles.ftp.sh for example.
On the other hand, I don't know if an "official /r/conspiracy history" is necessarily a good thing. Mainstream history with it's millions of books arguably still has its gaps - and not all are deliberate manipulation but rather oversight or subconcious bias of the authors.
2 SonGarwood 2012-01-17
Thinking back I love how its a history of dates rather then whys. Why did one side attack another. This is why history is cyclic because we dont understand the why
2 PdubsNWO 2012-01-17
I would love this.
1 SonGarwood 2012-01-17
you mean world history from 2 points of view surely you jest
1 ClarkKentState 2012-01-17
yes.
1 BinLeenk 2012-01-17
Want to Know has done a great job in summarizing the big picture. Highly recommended to all levels of truth seekers.
-1 frostek 2012-01-17
Wouldn't it just be a work of complete fiction though?
Also, you guys don't really agree with each other on specifics, which would be fundamental for a project of this type.
-5 [deleted] 2012-01-17
Can we vote on a title?
How about:
Jews: It's all their fault.
2 [deleted] 2012-01-17
I don't know if this is a joke, but I laughed, so if it was good job.
1 [deleted] 2012-01-17
It's sort of a catch-22, people might think it's a joke but because they aren't sure, will downvote me because they don't want to accidently upvote a nazi. On the other hand, I worry that the "stormfronters" in here might not get the joke and upvote my upstanding aryan ethos. If they do get the joke, it will (as intended) piss them off and they will downvote me.
After 21 hours, and your comment (which correctly identifies me as the kind of person who would mock the anti-semites in here) I'm happy to tell the world that it was indeed a joke. And I appreciate that you got it.
2 [deleted] 2012-01-17
I tried to form a response which addressed your points, and tried to discuss why a frank expression of opinion could be funny even if it was not intended so, but I keep laughing when I imagine a Neo Nazi Newsletter with the following headline:
"New Research Indicates: Jews: It's all their fault"
1 [deleted] 2012-01-17
It's sort of a catch-22, people might think it's a joke but because they aren't sure, will downvote me because they don't want to accidently upvote a nazi. On the other hand, I worry that the "stormfronters" in here might not get the joke and upvote my upstanding aryan ethos. If they do get the joke, it will (as intended) piss them off and they will downvote me.
After 21 hours, and your comment (which correctly identifies me as the kind of person who would mock the anti-semites in here) I'm happy to tell the world that it was indeed a joke. And I appreciate that you got it.