orange_ina,

If you've consumed every bit of available knowledge about the Rothschilds, the owners of the printing press (for both media and money), you wouldn't be making a post like this, full of:

• characterization,

It seems this conspiracy is where the internet kind of turns into a dirt road and dead ends at an old shack with a crazy old man sitting on his rocking chair with a piece of hay in his mouth cleaning the barrel of his shotgun.

• dismissal,

Can anyone shed any scholarly light into this idea about a secret banking elite which has 'ruled the world' since the 6th century? Is it all bogus? [emphasis mine: (the implication is that all of the current scholars have been rejected/dismissed)]

• and mockery.

There seems to be some bits of truth and historical fact scattered throughout the crazy anti-Zionist websites out there, but they're a bit obscured by outlandish connections and 5th grade level writing abilities.[emphasis mine]

respectfully,

a crazy old man in a shack at the end of the road (literally)

this is orange_ina's first post

I'm pretty sure many of the relevant and incriminating facts have been documented to sufficient scholarly standards. However, you're probably not going to find it in any "peer-reviewed journals" (published by Rothschild presses) or whatever.

What kind of scholarly references would you like for:

• The Federal Reserve, The Second Bank of the US, The First Bank of the US.

• Or, the history of funding of governments (with emphasis on military funding) by financial institutions in general, let alone Rothschlid controlled banks.

• Or, the sheer number countries with Rothschild controlled central banks.

In aggregate, the available pubilc information about these issues is more than just incriminating, it's outright damning... .. . It's just not a highly funded academic research topic.

Please point myself and other readers here to sites that provide verifiable, preferably scholarly information concerning, in the least, historical accounts of the actions of the banking elite.

I won't advocate any one specific site or other. Many sites contain relevant information and I will not get caught up in having it become a straw man issue.

That having been said, here's a document which, as yet, has not been refuted for its historical accuracy (despite the distinct possibility that the author's name is a pseudonym, which should be irrelevant - anonymity does not reflect for/against validity). If, on the outside chance, you find a few disputable items in there and would like to improve upon this collection of knowledge, please inform the author (if you can locate him/her).

we start in Egypt first pyramid scheme

During most of ancient Egypt's pharaonic history, there was no money as such, at least in the form of coinage (and paper bills were far in the future). Not until the middle of the first millennium BC were any coins used in Egypt, and at first, they were usually of foreign mint. In fact, most of the information related to wages, pricing and payments are more related to weights and measures.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/prices.htm

then Rome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_currency

It all began when Emperor Tiberius enforced a ceiling on interest rates, which caused a severe credit crunch, Tacitus relates in The Annals (book VI, 16-17). "Hence followed a scarcity of money, a great shock being given to all credit, the current coin too." This was of course followed by deflation of the sort we are seeing now in housing -- "a fall of prices, and the deeper a man was in debt, the more reluctantly did he part with his property, and many were utterly ruined." This is what business nowadays terms "distressed sales."

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/01/27/how_would_the_romans_handle_the_financial_crisis

then Venice. Beginning of dark ages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

Six hundred and fifty years ago came the climax of the worst financial collapse in history to date. The 1930’s Great Depression was a mild and brief episode, compared to the bank crash of the 1340’s, which decimated the human population.

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/954_Gallagher_Venice_rig.html

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_97-01/fid_983_wertz.html

then tulip mania

Tulip mania or tulipomania (Dutch names include: tulpenmanie, tulpomanie, tulpenwoede, tulpengekte and bollengekte) was a period in the Dutch Golden Age during which contract prices for bulbs of the recently introduced tulip reached extraordinarily high levels and then suddenly collapsed.[2] At the peak of tulip mania, in February 1637, some single tulip bulbs sold for more than 10 times the annual income of a skilled craftsman. It is generally considered the first recorded speculative bubble (or economic bubble)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

http://indianfusion.aglasem.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/tulip-mania.png

economic bubble

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_bubble

http://www.trendbird.biz/attach/1/1026241219.jpg

and we are probably here

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/q945s/the_theory_about_our_current_economic_downturn/

http://ourfunnyplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Insanity-Doing-the-same-thing-over-and-over-again-and-expecting-different-results.jpg

It should be noted that there are dynastic banking families that pre-date the Rothschilds, for example the wealthy Warburg family ( who did inter marry with the Rothschilds at some point) were a wealthy Venetian family during the middle ages called the del-banco's, which translates into of-bank or the-bank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shylock

thank you..you are right. It is called old money

Rothschilds are just one family. They are now more in the spot lite mostly because they are pretty successful bankers and there have been long and interesting list of clients. Including oldest "money" in the world vatican

Every bankster is a con artist running Confidence trick

Religion is strong part of "the con" because you have to believe (trust) con artist for him to succeed

"A confidence trick is an attempt to defraud a person or group by gaining their confidence."

http://trustedadvisor.com/trustmatters/anatomy-of-a-con-artist-how-madoff-played-the-trust-equation

http://www.pro-truth.net/62-con-artist-tricks.html

http://martiecoetser.hubpages.com/hub/Con-artists-sociopaths-troubled-with-Narcissistic-Personality-Disorder

Problem with confidence trick is that target (victim) has to be unaware of the principles of the swindle. If you know how the con works you are not going to trust person who is trying to con you. This is the reason why "banking" has always new words, expressions and services. To make it less understandable.

As a result I think that most of the banksters just now released that they have perpetrated biggest con in the history of the world. hence, the resignations...

Rothschilds are just newest con artist in the long line of con artist thru history. And in this particular type of con they where the best.

all the internet censorship spooks on the world, Rothschilds included, can screw off and let us enjoy our free file sharing. internet censorship is a crime against humanity.

Piracy is also a crime, there in lies the problem.

The pirates indirectly brought all this shit down on us because for too long they've used the internet to plunder the digital media sector for all it's worth.

Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% against Internet censorship, in any form. I'm just saying I can see where laws like SOPA and PIPA are coming from, regardless of how misguided they are.

When people start accepting that the only reason people pirate is because they want free shit, not for some higher moral purpose, then they'll see why laws like SOPA and PIPA are so attractive to companies in the Digital Media sector.

Just my two pennies worth.

piracy is no crime. you make a work of art, and it's automatically in the "creative commons". nobody is saying that artists should starve or go homeless - some people, myself included, think that their needs should be met regardless of their ability to sell records.

Of course piracy is a crime.

If a group of people have spent years, and millions of dollars/pounds/potatoes/whatever worth of money to create a product (ie a chair, or a TV, or a video game), then they are allowed to charge people to use that product. And if people use that product without paying then it's illegal.

Your logic on the matter is incredibly naive. You could extend that way of thinking to include anyone who creates anything shouldn't be allowed to enforce charges on using that thing.

That's the whole concept of a free market economy, you create something and you sell it to make money. Just because your product is digital doesn't make it any less real than a carpenter making a chair for example.

If everybody thought the way pirates do then we wouldn't have video games or any digital media, because nobody would pay for it and it wouldn't be viable.

It really grips my shit when Pirates try to justify their actions with some kind of retarded, childlike morality. People pirate because they want the best of both worlds, high quality merchandise without having to pay a penny.

you can't claim to have a monopoly over the sale of some kind of information. that's just tyrannical bullshit. you can try to guilt people into paying you, but that's a whole separate thing from being able to shut down their websites or being able to threaten them with legal action if a file isn't deleted.

You don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying.

It's not just "Information" as you seem to think. A video game is at its heart, a massive bunch of computer code. Some guy has sat for months (maybe years) and spent a lot of money to write that code, in the same way that a carpenter has sat for days (maybe weeks) to make a piece of furniture. Just because a video game is digital, it doesn't make it any less of a product.

You would consider it morally apprehensible to take a carpenters table from his shop without paying for it, so why do you consider it Ok to take a game developers game without paying for it? The game developer is fortunate because, due to the digital nature of video games, he has back up copies, it's still the same principle though.

Anyway that is besides the point, I agree with you. I think any form of internet censorship to be a massive step backwards in progress. I completely disagree with laws such as SOPA and PIPA. I'm just being objective enough to see why such laws are being proposed. Due to the unchecked actions of Pirates in the last 10 years or so.

i'm perfectly familiar with how much work goes into producing those kinds of things. what i'm saying is that, while it's moral for people to compensate you for doing it, it's not moral for you to try to prevent people from sharing that information if they so desire. they will compensate you if they're able, otherwise, why limit their access to that information?

the whole thing is very dumb.

No, your logic is very dumb.

You are essentially saying, if you have the means to reproduce a product that somebody has created, and then distribute it for free, then you should be allowed to do so.

That defeats the object of any kind of copyright laws and the whole concept of a supply and demand economy. That IS dumb.

That defeats the object of any kind of copyright laws and the whole concept of a supply and demand economy. That IS dumb.

there's the problem with your thinking. you're just assuming that information is a "good" that should be FORCIBLY made to subject to an ARBITRARY idea of the laws of supply and demand.

information is infinitely reproducible. supply is practically infinite, while demand is finite. that means the price, at market equilibrium, is zero, unless the supply is artificially shrunk by government action. it's the same kind of logic that says that you have to pay somebody for bottling air and giving it to you. you can just breathe air anyway.

Yes I can breathe air anyway for free, and if somebody tried to sell me bottled air then that would be a stupid idea (although people buy bottled water).

However, if somebody created air that tasted like chocolate, they could sell that because they created something new. It's still just air, but they've created a new product using free components.

Digital media is the same. All a video game is, is one's and zero's. However the game developer has arranged those one's and zero's in such a way as to create a first person shooter with awesome graphics, 300+ hours of gameplay, hundreds of hours of dialogue, and the most realistic gaming experience ever created. Can YOU do that? Can everybody do that?

No, that developer has created a product using a skill set that he has mastered, in the same way as a carpenter making a table.

What he has created is no different to any other product, other than it is digital, and as such it should be treated the same as any other product. Which is why piracy is illegal.

people and their trade economies. can't envision a single other way of doing things...artists can't survive by contributing to a free culture in a crony capitalist trade economy, so your solution is to impose restrictions on people?

no, find a different way to make sure artists are provided for, that isn't contingent on the popularity of what they produce, or their ability to restrict other people from using it. this issue really demonstrates how fucked up our modern economy is.

so your solution is to impose restrictions on people?

YES! They're called laws! They've been around for centuries, taking something for that is sale without paying for it has, and always will be theft.

no, find a different way to make sure artists are provided for, that isn't contingent on the popularity of what they produce, or their ability to restrict other people from using it.

What? So "artists" (I wouldn't call a computer science degree who programs games an artist but I'll use the term for now) should sit and churn out high quality products, knowing that people will be able to take it all for free and do whatever they want with it? They'll have no protection for it at all?

How do you suppose we pay these "artists" for their years of hard work then? Government subsidies? Some kind of "creative arts" fund that we all pay into and it gets divided between them?

There's a reason why "Capitalist Trade Economies" are so powerful, they work. Reaping monetary rewards for your produce is a good system, it works.

YES! They're called laws! They've been around for centuries, taking something for that is sale without paying for it has, and always will be theft.

doesn't make it right.

There's a reason why "Capitalist Trade Economies" are so powerful, they work. Reaping monetary rewards for your produce is a good system, it works.

imposing restrictions on people with government is the opposite of capitalism. you seem to have your terms confused.

This is a well cited source I often use, but it only goes back to about 1750:

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

Beyond that I'm really uncertain. I wouldn't go as far to say the Rothschilds are the ruling bloodline, but in my estimation they are 'public' face of it.

heeeere you go!

The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America

This video called "The American Dream" tells you the story of what has happened using anecdotal evidence. But you have go into deep searches to verify.

If there was hard, convincing evidence, it most surely has been covered up. It definitely wouldn't appear on the internet.

No matter how hard you try, it is never possible to cover up all your traces.

thats why they are 'trying' to control the internet with sopa/pipa/acta and whatever else they can think up. if they succeed, it will be the straw that broke the camels back.

thank you..you are right. It is called old money

Rothschilds are just one family. They are now more in the spot lite mostly because they are pretty successful bankers and there have been long and interesting list of clients. Including oldest "money" in the world vatican

Every bankster is a con artist running Confidence trick

Religion is strong part of "the con" because you have to believe (trust) con artist for him to succeed

"A confidence trick is an attempt to defraud a person or group by gaining their confidence."

http://trustedadvisor.com/trustmatters/anatomy-of-a-con-artist-how-madoff-played-the-trust-equation

http://www.pro-truth.net/62-con-artist-tricks.html

http://martiecoetser.hubpages.com/hub/Con-artists-sociopaths-troubled-with-Narcissistic-Personality-Disorder

Problem with confidence trick is that target (victim) has to be unaware of the principles of the swindle. If you know how the con works you are not going to trust person who is trying to con you. This is the reason why "banking" has always new words, expressions and services. To make it less understandable.

As a result I think that most of the banksters just now released that they have perpetrated biggest con in the history of the world. hence, the resignations...

Rothschilds are just newest con artist in the long line of con artist thru history. And in this particular type of con they where the best.