Keep the wife. Drop the attitude.

Try using these magic words: Maybe you are right.

Also, there are several websites that will sell you a commemorative box to put your balls in.

Only kids need to prove they are "a man". You usually don't have to prove it to your wife. Do you want your most intimate relationship to be contentious or have your best friend fearful that you might be crazy?

The relationship is more important than the issue.

Excellent point. Now go clean the garage.

If you are not telling her to "get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich".

The relationship is important, but that doesn't mean he has to compromise his views.

He does not have to compromise his views just keep them to himself.

Driving along in the car he hears propaganda from the sycophant syndicate media. He finds himself expressing his concern in a way that makes his wife think he is going crazy. Should he ignore her concerns and continue to rage? Or, should he be mindful that his wife doesn't understand the world the way that he does and (being the sane one) defer to her ignorance?

What good will it do to insist that, despite all the obvious evidence to the contrary, the Sun does not go around the earth?

This happens to me all the time. What I'm patiently working on is teaching my GF to think. Well, she could think before (and is pretty smart, etc.) but I am slowly teaching her the thought processes needed to break down the MSM BS and start to see the puppet hand inside the puppet.

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How are you going to teach her anything when she thinks you are crazy?

Wait. I am not the OP.

Sorry.

People who want other people to "wake up" often forget that nobody want to change their thinking from content and comfortable to anxious and insane.

Anxious and insane? I'm neither. I'm prepared, informed, and ready for action.

Cool. So am I. In fact I am taking action by helping people with microeconomic projects.

This thread was about a guy whose wife thinks he is going crazy. So my comment was about not becoming "the conspiracy guy" and understanding how most people view people who have "taken the red pill".

So far, she doesn't think I'm crazy. Because I don't go around talking about 2012, chemtrails, or reptiles. Instead, I try to educate her about corporatism, the MSM, and Bilderbergers. You know. Things that are true.

Here is what I use to get people thinking:

The Real Conspiracy

Connecting the Dots

Let your life be a friction to stop the machine

5 Stages of My Personal Awakening

The Philosophy of Liberty

No one is smarter than you are.

God

No one is smarter than you are.

classic logic 101, if someone is smarter than you, then they should be able to teach you everything they know. Everyone is the smartest person in their own "universe"

I taught they gave you one on that special day, you know, the wedding day.

But she isn't right.

Maybe

Of course she is not right. Do you want your wife thinking you are crazy or thoughtful?

You have to model the behavior you want to see in others.

How about "what do you think"? or "MAYBE I don't have the whole picture."

1) You can never win an argument with ignorance; in fact you can never win an argument, period. Each person has a unique perspective, which means their reality is unique. Respect this fact.

2) You cannot force a mind open, you will encounter equal and opposite force. Everyone has the right to know, and equal to that right is to not know.

3) Everyone is at a different phase regarding personal development (and open mindedness), so use it as an excuse to exercise and develop your own patience.

Edit: Remember, when you do present this knowledge recognize that you are taking a sledgehammer to the pillars of a persons reality. Once one pillar falls it means they must question everything, causing the rest to fall. Most people will fight to keep those pillars standing because it's 'safe'.

I think you are a wise man.

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I might or might not say anything when I state that the good reader makes the good book. Acknowledging ambivalence is not the same as saying nothing.

Cool and all but some things are true and some things aren't, despite the fact that humans are fallible and have a difficult time figuring out the truth. To me moral/logical relativism = nihilism.

No kidding if you go on a sudden rant about how 9/11 is an inside job and how NDAA is for you and her, I mean come on man.

You need to be more careful on how you present yourself. You'd want to teach your wife the truth, not scare the crap out of her on some babbling rant.

You'd want to tell her the history of out of control government, like how it happened in Germany, how it happened in the Soviet Union and how it is happening in the USA.

You need to explain the laws that were before NDAA and how they all tie up together and how it ties up with new laws like the ACTA, CISPA, the no protesting bill, assassination of US citizens with no due process by the president, etc...

You want to be calm, collected, methodical and present the facts and evidence so that she doesn't think you are going retarded.

Very, very intelligent. I try to "chew my food" for my GF and make sure that I'm pointing out aspects that, later, I can knit into a cohesive whole. She is slowly starting to come around. This is very good advice. Facts, facts, and more carefully-chosen facts are what's required.

"Facts, facts, and more carefully-chosen facts are what's required."

Lmao, it's not often that a conspiracy theorist admits to picking/choosing "facts."

LOL, that's a textbook LMAO and you know it. There are SO many facts out there to buttress our current spate of 'conspiracy' theories, and you ought to know that. But I see and simply have to acknowledge your reply. LOL, what a screw up. You KNOW I meant "carefully selected beginner facts from the many out there" but, yeah. LOL

The fact that you say in your post "how do I show her how ignorant she is" is incredibly insulting. It gives me the impression that you do not respect your wife or her views at all. That is not the way to behave in a marriage, or in any relationship. I'm not sure if this post is going to fall on deaf ears but I'm going to give it a shot. I'm going to try to give you a perspective of someone who lives with a conspiracy theorist.

My mother lost her job and ended up in the psych unit because she lost her shit at work and went on a rant about 911 and how the government was going to create marshal law at any moment. The police were called and she ended up in the hospital.

I felt bad for her so I allowed her to move in to our home because she could no longer hold down a job and support herself.

The next four years while she lived with us were a nightmare. She ranted and raved at us constantly and called us ignorant and "part of the problem" because we did not see the world as she did. She blared her conspiracy videos at max volume all day long even though all we asked of her was to turn it down and close her door.

I had videos and books thrown at me. (not figuratively, literally) I was being screamed at and ranted at all day long. She pulled out a butcher knife and put it to her own throat and said I was "killing her" by refusing to "wake up". She did this in front of my child. My mother took my girls to the park and became so engrossed in her latest book on 9/11 that she failed to notice that my children had wandered down to the river. They were 5 y/o. When I came to the park looking for them my mother had no idea where the were. They could have drowned and she couldn't be bothered to even check on them occasionally. She told my 6 y/o daughters that we were going to be in concentration camps and live under marshall law if her parents refused to "keep them safe". She had loaded guns in her room and refused to lock them away because she needed them "when they came for us". My children had nightmares and suffered severe anxiety. We had to ask her to leave our home for our own safety.

I watched my mother completely lose her life and family to this obsession. I'm at the point now where I no longer have a mother and my children no longer have a grandmother. It is very sad for all of us but we were left with no other choice. There is no way I could ever trust her around my children again and admittedly I'm angry at her for the hell she put me and my family through.

I guess what I want to say is that I didn't have a problem with my mother having different views than me. It was her behavior towards me and my family that was the problem. No one wants to be called stupid and ignorant just because they see the world differently than you do. No one wants their children terrorized and made so fearful that they can barely function, or to have their personal safety put at risk.

If you can't respect your wifes views and boundries then you will lose her. It is frightening to watch a loved one being completely consumed by an obsession. She will have a breaking point. Is it more important to be "right" or to live a fulfilling life with your family? There is a difference between a passion and an obsession. You can feel passionate about an issue with out letting it consume your every waking minute and robbing your loved ones of time with you.

I have no idea if you are at them same place as my mother. Probably not, she was quite a handful. But, I just wanted to offer my perspective so you can look at things from your wife's point of view.

Sounds like the progression of paranoid schizophrenia or something similar.

All the best to you and your family. You handled it well as anyone could from the sounds of it. Has she ever been recommended for a psychiatric examination?

Thanks for your reply. She spent time on a psych unit and was under a psych's care briefly. She took it as a way that we were trying to silence and censor her. She refused to go back after her initial outpatient visit.

stop reading the news. take a break. you must for your own well being. Then news is geared for sensationalism. humans are not meant for these fear tactics.
discern between what the medium tells you and what you experience.

Really? The news is geared for sensationalism?

So, is this subreddit MSM then? Because god damn, it is like Haley's Comet to try and find a 'story' on here without a sensationalist title, next to no sources, and a huge fear-mongering rant by some blogger describing why you should be afraid.

"In other news, Fukushima's Reactor, which I know nothing about, could kill you and your entire family, more news at 11."

Sounds like a quote from your local news station.. Nope, just /conspiracy.

when I said news, I meant all news, not just MSM. the MSM news promotes vaccines and tamiflu or something to increase someones customer base. The conspiracy blogs do the same but its for gold and survival gear. most news items are just conditioning programs to get the subjects (the consumer) to buy something.

so where should you go to understand the world better if the concept of news is illegitimate?

With in yourself

It sounds nuts but people are always relying on some other 'institution' or academic source to give them the answers.

Folks, get OFF the information welfare put forth by the media. Do your own research. No amount of getting info from second hand sources will get you to question the reality paradigm we live in. You have to research on your own, have a healthy dose of skepticism, and connect the dots. It's not hard. Trust your own instincts. There is plethora of data out there for one to connect the dots. Trust yourself.

I like that line

You can not step back from yourself and see the whole truth if your mind is cluttered with fear and anger. The news and western media is designed to make you react in an emotional manner one way or the other. Just one more divide and conquer tactics at work.

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even news. most of it is bullshit.

meditate quietly to yourself on these subjects, anticipate reaction before speaking any words, cast your mind back

read this book: www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/dwellings_philosophers.pdf

don't use books or documentaries... dialogue is right, but you must be sure in your words... when speaking about trivialities like supposed actions of the government you will never be sure... rather invite through careful analysis... or don't invite at all for now

in particular, ranting is wrong... and betrays uncertainty on your part

"let's leave theories aside and return to here's hear"

With the way you're acting, I can only assume you're a younger guy with no kids. I do think you need to heed ImJulianAssange's advice..

Not to take sides here but;

"times i hear a story on talk radio/some media and i lose it"

You yourself say "I lose it" describing..yourself.

You really came to the wrong place here though, but I'm not sure there's a right place.

If you come to /conspiracy about this issue..no one is going to speak against you. You're literally choosing the outlet that will make you look good, and not even attempting to be there for your life.

If your wife has expressed concern with you that you're taking things too far, and then you retaliate with shit like this;

"then i tell her she's living a life with blinders on"

You need to get professional help.

Who do you love more? AM talk radio show hosts and internet bloggers, or your wife?

She's trying to tell you something. When you met her, and fell in love, did you used to rant about this stuff? If not, you might want to engage in some self-reflection, and take a closer look at the sources of information you use...

I think you need to realize none of this conspiracy stuff matters in your day to day life because it is COMPLETELY out of your control. Just get on with enjoying your life and hope all the corruption is exposed to mankind someday. Take a break from this stuff, it sounds like it's consuming your mind. Most don't want to hear doom and gloom their government is coming to send them to a FEMA camp 24/7. I hope you can understand why your wife doesn't give a shit about it.

As an experiment, I think you should try this same post in /r/skeptic too.

Undoubtedly you'll get a number of brief comments saying "Yes, you are nuts", but you might get some longer more thoughtful ones.

Let's face it - you're only posting this in /r/conspiracy to get a big confirmational snuggly cuddle from people who you fully expect to agree with you and tell you how right you are, and how wrong she is.

This might help you see what it looks like from her perspective.

Insight of any sort into an issue is never a loss.

Have you considered the possibility that you have started to lose your grip on reality? Take a moment and really take stock of the person you have become and compare that to the person you were. Rants, no matter how 'mild', are a form of aggression and you may well be misdirecting some anger or frustration in your life.

My gf believes in reptilians..

That's certainly a step up from the horoscopes and other airy-fairy bunk lots of women seem to believe in.

She's right dude

Humor. Moderation. Listen to her. Speak calmly. Don't come across like you are enlightened. Just have a different opinion and you respect hers too.

You can agree with her, but then you would both be wrong.

Dan Rather just came out with a book that I understand examines the media's role in all of this.

Sometimes when human beings under extremely stressful conditions they can have a verbal or mental breakdown in their ability to communicate clearly, shock is usually a proponent. It is not always necessarily that they are crazy, but can sometimes be that they are made crazy by REAL and TRUE observations which are very difficult to get to grips with. For instance, something like a conspiracy against the population of the planet, is probably enough to cause you to miss words, sentences, and what people might call "regular" Bullshit head nodding activity.

For the rest of us though it's work 9-5, just so we can live without dying, and stay inside the house that we're allowed to keep, so long as we work 9-5. And those that do not afford that luxury, well, they are busy working to maintain their money mountains, whilst the rest of us attempt to build one.

Sometimes problems are more obvious than they seem, because obviously a human being called it a problem to start with, and that is where the difficulty began.

Cheer up man, try not to lose it, normal people just don't get it, and we're all "normal people".

Get it?

Best, A

I have had this issue before...I think we all do at some point. The problem is you're operating at two different world views. You need to find out what conspiracy seems plausible within her world view, convince her that this is not a conspiracy but is true, and then move on to the next subject. Example: If you use the word "illuminati" she will probably shut down...but if you use the word "Banker," she might be more open to what you have to say. It's a balance - you are going to come into more information than you will know what to do with, it's all about understanding the information internally and then being able to translate it into a sentence that a person operating from a different perspective can understand.

You can't tell people anything. They have to seek it themselves.

This has been going on longer than we've been alive. Calm Down. If you keep telling her things like that, she won't be your wife for long.

If an opinion on your government is grounds for divorce, then I wouldn't want to be with her anyway.

do you, make your fiat money, smoke weed and just chill out on the things you have no control over. peace bro!

Watch George Carlin standup routines together.

How much does she watch tv everyday? If she's watching alot of tv, there likely won't be much you can do at all.

Could you elaborate please?

You shouldn't stop merely for your wife. Get too vocal and you may attract unwanted attention from the authorities. It happened to me...a cop threatened to arrest me for "attempting to incite a riot" if I didn't stop posting anti-SOPA fliers a few months ago...

I read r/conspiracy and r/buddhism at the same time, it keeps me grounded.

Is your anger making anything better? How does it benefit you to rant at the tv and your wife every day? Why are you still with her if she is so ignorant as you think? If it serves no positive purpose in your life, get rid of it, and find a more constructive outlet for that passion.

And you do realize you are being manipulated through the very media intake that makes you rage, right? The point is to turn you all into aggressive reactionaries, easily herded like sheep between terror and comfort (not unlike the tricks of a dominatrix), rather than critically thinking empathic humans. And you, my friend, are taking the bait, hook, line and sinker.

She's just hiding behind the word "paranoid.." Calling you paranoid because its safer for her weak mind to conclude that YOU must be paranoid rather than HER ignorant and incorrect.

You can't just open her mind. Sheep will fight for their right to be fleeced as long as it means they can believe their own fantasies.

If I had to sum it up in 3 words:

"Ignorance is bliss."

That anger, that frustration: that's not bliss, and you willingly took it upon yourself like most of the guys here (myself included).

You don't kick someone down the rabbit hole, they have to wander in on their own accord. Or the horse to the water. Same idea.

Perhaps take a break from the conspiracy stuff for a bit, even if only to let your mind and body digest the information and your situation.

Breathe.

Get professional help, I think you really need it. I'm not trolling you, think about it. The things you think about are mostly conspiracies and they aren't real, look at the people who hang out around here, they are mostly white-supremacists, racists and paranoid.
I'm sorry pal, but it's you who needs to wake up, before you lose your wife and any chance of a normal life.

Just look at it this way when/if there's a story that makes her realize just how scary things are getting you can say I told you so and then move to Canada which is what I plan on doing if things get real bad otherwise I'll just take a nice place in the middle of nowhere U.S.

What does it matter if you know the truth or not? You can't do anything about it anyway. Humanity is a circus, just sit back and watch the show.

I went through that four years ago. We were observed and she did not take it too well, when I told her. Now my wife could explain a lot of conspiracies that the normal population does not grasp and she loves me for being how I am.

1. When you are new to the whole world of conspiracies you will get emotionalised and you tend to confront people with your emotions. Don't. Try not to direct your anger and your emotions towards your partner. Maybe your are strong enough to handle this, but not everybody is like that.

2. For a certain amount of time do not talk at all about politics or conspiracies with her. Try to avoid it and enjoy life and every single moment with her.

3. Some years after that with experience and confidence you will see that certain topics do not get you out of your mind and ranting when you hear them, because you are used to hear them. When you are with friends or even strangers you talk about conspiracies that are 100% proof able and you introduce them to new thoughts that enrich their life without being arrogant. If they attack with their redundant talking points you will keep calm and thoughtful and explain them things without making them feel stupid or uninformed.

4. After the years observing you talk like that and seeing that some predictions have come true she will have confidence in your rationality. She will start to ask you about certain topics and you will explain to her very slowly from scratch what your opinions are. Do not think this is a fast process. It may take you 2 to 3 years to get to this point.

5. Then someday watching a movie or news you will drop your insight and a conspiracy theory and she will agree, because she knew perfectly well what you are talking about and she had the time to come to the same conclusions by herself, because she thinks for herself not because you told her so.

6. Win.

When the gov announced they had found a passport belonging to Satam Al Suqami on the street below the towers, I knew 911 was an inside job AND SAID SO. My wife got that same look that I'm sure you are seeing frm your wife. Being that I'm a research librarian I started to look for collaboration without much luck. Then I found and showed her the pictures of the Pentagon.She moved to looking at me like i was disturbed, not crazy. Then I found the website "Center for an Informed America" and took her to hear William Rodríguez speak . What have I accomplished? The love of my life now shares the sadness that the entire horror of 911 created in me. I wish I had kept (to quote Ralph Kramdon) MY BIG MOUTH SHUT!

"Nobody said life would be easy; just that it'd be worth it."

Hang in there.

I felt the same when the movie Flight93 was released.

You are a better man than I am. I could never be with a girl that is totally closed off like this.

Are you Bill Clinton?

Tell her that these household arguments were commonplace in European Jewish households prior to Hitler coming into power in the 1920's and 30's.

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Don't forget the non Jewish Zionists.

Mass Media brainwashing is very effective.

I think the Rothchilds are down voting the entire thread.

Source?

I do not know if a spouse will ever take your political views too seriously. I have had similar discussions with my wife and her response is "there is nothing you can do about it". As much as I hate to admit it, she is absolutely right.

The vast majority of humanity will welcome a one world government, RFID chipping the entire population, and being dragged around by the nostrils. Getting your ass locked up for your views this early on in the "battle" for the hearts and minds of the sheeple will not do you or your family any good. I have given up on the vast majority of humanity. I am teaching my children about thinking for themselves and being strong enough to acquire and keep their integrity.

This sort of politics in action has actually seen my wife become more attracted to "the cause" and much less critical of my politics. I have come to discover that she actually thinks that the US government is involved in ignoring the warnings or are hiding facts. I think women need to see something in action and not be preached at - especially, by the "shithead she is married to" who can rarely remember to take the garbage out to the curb.

PS: We saw a documentary on the CBC a couple of years ago about 9/11, which was quite critical of Bush and his administration, showed the money motives of war in the Middle East and educated her about Cheney's military and defence industry connections. IMHO, experts will be more skilled at presenting facts than a spouse. This 90 minute documentary changed her mind about many things ... my rants about how fucked up the world was prior to this seemed to just crystallize her opinions. Honestly, this is where we are at http://bit.ly/rxeQhi

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I agree. I use the 9/11 issue in my spousal conflict story because it was my personal awakening about statism, the financial chess board of humanity and it's grip on all of us - humanity. My wife saw my outlook and opinions evolve from that event, onward. It became the start of my truth seeking.

OP may see a way to smooth over the bumps in his road by seeing the parallels in my earlier situation.

Stop trying to show your wife the truth. She is determined to live in a dream world, so let her. You cannot wake everybody up. She'd probably be too terrified to get through the day if she ever admitted to herself that what you're saying is true. Attacking you is her defense mechanism against reality. Let her sleep.

You're being confronted with a tough decision. Go back to sleep and preserve your marriage, or stay awake and sacrifice it.

have some respect for yourself and stick to your guns.

Also, there are several websites that will sell you a commemorative box to put your balls in.

But she isn't right.

"Nobody said life would be easy; just that it'd be worth it."

Hang in there.