got one right, another half right (as the dude in the first link worked for the oil sands, semi shill protecting his work, advocating on the behalf of shills because they atleast add discussion)
i apologize when i go on the attack and i find myself to be wrong, and did so quite frequently today. Nor do i intend to continue with that attitude, as i didn't really like the experience of trolling so hard.
Atleast i'm trying to dispell misinformation, which i still did even with the oil fracking guy who used an outdated statistic and misrepresented the facts. One and a half out of three ain't bad.
We participate in this online community to gauge the human reaction to events, to debate our opinions, to sway others from harmful philosophy's on life, and to get facts straight.
Having said that, anybody who is paid to sway public opinions, or to dilute the truth of the matter, is detracting from the human experience in the name of greed. Without the possibility of having free thought, the process is pointless, and harmfull to society.
Doing something about it is the first step to a better internet, a better world. And it takes all kinds, even shills to run this convergence of multiple realities we call life, but they have their own format for bringing about change, and should stick to it. It's called lobying. Lobying politicians is one thing, but lobying people into believing and supporting a position or a belief that is not inherantly the best for said people, is just evil. And i'll fight to the death for my beliefs, i may not have money or many possesions, but i have values and ethics in lieu of those frivolous and meaningless things.
Atleast, this way, at the end of my life, i'll have no guilt.
I guess you didn't get my sarcasm. The idea that anyone would pay someone to argue on conspiracy message boards is just laughable.
I would argue you could better serve mankind by getting a job and bettering the economy for all of us - as I feel you are fighting an imaginary foe posting here.
why would i want to support a system that works off of the backs of the poor for the benefit of a few, a system which can't grant the american dream to everybody, only a constant of suffering? A system so corrupt that with a little bad luck, one can lose everything he has worked for, simply because of an inadequate rule of law?
Why do you think i posted in response? I got your sarcasm, and responded with my ideals.
I'm not arguing that the system doesn't suck. I'm arguing that posting walls of text in /r/conspiracy is about the least effective method of inducing change in this country that you could possibly employ.
Sure, there might be some paid shills...in legitimate forums. This shit-hole of garbage, /r/conspiracy, has none.
conspiracy has gotten nearly triple the viewers in the course of three years, this to me indicates a shift in the normal train of thought. With such an increase, we have also seen more and more of the old topics that would only fly here being reposted in politics, passing off in world news, and the like.
This ain't no backwater board anymore. It's become vital to the process. It's only natural that the place where truth is hinted at would be selectively targetted, hence again, the topic we are posting in.
The current debate is about the watering down of quality, a ploy at misdirection. A way to turn the populace away from this place. Somebody is afraid of this place. I've seen really shitty posts here lately, as compared to last year when firms just started hiring the shills.
Yeah. The real danger of Alex Jones is that he makes people who sincerely question the truth look like kooks because they'll be associated with him.
He's so absurd though that only young people or those that are useless could really fall for his drivel. I mean when I was like 21 or something I didn't yet realize he was full of shit but a few years later and it's quite obvious.
True, but does he not disclose when he speculates? From what I have heard from him this seems to be the case. Most of all of his articles seems fairly well sourced to me.
His stories are real and the plight is real. The rich are out for power and control.
Then people ask "Why? Aren't they happy with what they got?"
Then he goes "No, they want total control over us and probably to wipe us out"
Then you go "Why?"
"So they can be exclusive on the planet"
Then you go "Why?"
Then he says:
Because they're horrible people who live in a bubble and don't see beyond their world and have long since been able to grasp the concept of "other people"
Because there's basically 4 or 5 guys are the top who are overall trying to be the only one to hold the brass ring.
They're aliens/lizard people who want to control the earth for it's resources for their alien race.
Basically the conspiracy needs and end and when shit is this bad/crazy you need some big crazy reason why it's all happening.
I think a lot of Alex Jones articles are well sourced and true but when they start trying to figure out the elite's end game that's when you need to know you're listening to speculation.
I see, and I agree for the most part. I just can't fault him for not being able to figure out things that no one has ever been able nail down completely.
The best liars intermingle truth with their fiction. If he was completely full of shit everyone would figure it out. He has just enough facts and reputable interviewees to appear legit to the less critical thinkers or uninitiated but more than enough hyperbole and craziness to immediately discredit himself with the mainstream. I'd also point out it's what he is NOT saying that is important.. check out who he's married to and what he will never talk about. If he was legit he would talk about Zionism and Israeli/American politics.
Oh yes, that which goes unsaid is often the most important. Also if you feel you are being herded toward a intellectual corral, well you probably are. He may be an agent. Hell I don't know. All I say is take what grains of truth he gives and see what fruits they bare.
I dunno if he's an agent but it would not shock me. Maybe he found his niche selling fear, televangelist style, I'm sure he's not hurting financially. Whatever he is, he is less than sincere and I can't stand him or what he represents. That said, I still tune in when someone I respect is being interviewed. Just take AJ with a grain of salt. Rock salt.
I am 21 now and realizing how crazy he is. Borrows too much from glen beck with the yelling, screaming and appeal to pathos. He has some decent writers on his site and brings up a lot of important government scandals but its just the presentation is so ridiculous. Trying to branch out and find better alternate news but no dice so far.
you have ever listened to him(alex jones) its kind of funny how many things are the end result of an "psy op". Example, the movie shooting recently was done to
Assist in passing the UN small arms ban
Put TSA in malls and other places
Shows how movies are used for MK U ltra hitmen triggers
And on and on and on.
While there are always tidbits of true info Alex Jones is a loose cannon and an actor who is good for a laugh. As a person who truely feels that there are hidden agendas i find Alex Jones a liability.
hand experience, 2.hand experience, official documents, video recordings that have not been cgi'd. Not to forget the whistleblowers, I mean the stooges of conspiracy mainstream are good to get sleeping peoples attention and sometimes they report on information stated above, but don't take cartoonish people to seriously they are hurting more than doing good.
You have to look into stuff for yourself, read all the boring books published by world leaders of societies and foundations that are actively working for globalisation. usually they talk pretty straight forward about how they predict the future and the direction they will lead the heards. These days we are up for a new depression and I think we will get a new economic type of system.
The only way that you are going to learn what the real truth looks like is to do the research yourself. There is no way that you are going to get it handed to you on a silver platter or even recognize it when you are seeing/hearing the actual truth if you don't find out for yourself what it is.
I agree completely. I have been looking into things long before AJ came along. That's how I know much of what he says is dead on target, and that's why I can't understand why there is so much hatred for him. His shit is free and well sourced. I suppose there are many that just need a hand to hold onto.
You are right to believe many of his claims. The sad thing is that he does not provide details for about half of his stories, he rambles on without getting to the point and will never personally expose people. He will always make it out to be a mysterious group of people that are ruling the whole world. Of course this is true, but it does not help to keep saying that without naming these people and the crimes they commit.
A large number of you believe the shit that Alex Jones spews. He's VERY popular. You can't write it off as being only "disinfo agents" that post - that's just dishonest. You don't get to have this community, and then claim that any member of it who seems crazier than you isn't genuine in their beliefs. You've got some serious insanity in this community, own up to it.
People upvote guys like tttt0tttt and bumblingmumbling who actually believe that Jews control the entire world and aren't allowed to be criticized, despite the fact that they spend their entire day criticizing Jews. They're very popular posters on this subreddit. But they say crazy things. Who are you to decide if they're 'shills' or nutbags? Why is it that assumed that anyone who says something crazy must ACTUALLY be lying, rather than, you know, crazy?
I saw him being a dickwad, I did not see him posting bullshit to try and make it seem as if conspiracy theorists are crazy ass muthafuckers. The post that the OP in that thread had made in /r/conspiracy was pointing out that perspective in the photo was different and that noses flare. It was presented in an ungentlemanly way, but that does not change the fact that he was posting a refutation of a stupid theory, and not presenting one to discredit the community.
Trolling != black ops disinfo. There are many people on reddit that love to fuck with /r/conspiracy because it's funny. That doesn't mean that there's some government plan to discredit a subreddit of only 70K readers.
They're not lying to you per se, they're just messing with you because you're so fun to fuck with. They just want to get a reaction out of you to see you go on some half baked rant out lizard people or the NWO. Because then we get these posts and people laugh, because you're so far down the rabbit hole you think the government is paying people to post on your shitty subreddit.
This post is a perfect example of why people mess with /r/conspiracy. It's like playing games with a mentally ill homeless person. Fucked up, but funny.
Except you just did! That's the hilarious part, you don't realize how big of a joke this is. You take these invisible internet points so fucking seriously people can't help but mess with you.
Bro, chillax. I have no idea why you're ranting at me over nothing. My comments are normal and I think you need to go see a doctor since you're seeing things.
Shouting and screaming half-truths to keep people under educated in a shroud of fear, advocating physical resistance and giving the false idea of winning the battle against 'evil'.
Selling gold. Ted Anderson sells gold in his show and owns gcn radio network. He is not helping people prepare for a market collapse because gold is not going to be worth anything after the economy plunges.
The thing he does best is he makes himself and others that believe in him look like a fool. He loses his cool all the time and acts like a lunatic especially when his information gets too close to the truth. He does a shitty job at backing his claims. All in all he makes it very hard for the people that believe him to talk to others about these very important topics without sounding like a 'conspiracy nut'.
I was fooled by him myself for a while until I realized that he was simply playing at my emotions without educating me about the real problem or what to do about it. He himself IS cointelpro, he IS project mockingbird, he IS part of the problem.
Except Duane, whom I have never heard before, I like to listen to all the people you have listed.
Here are some additional podcasts which you might like:
Guns & Butter Guns and Butter (once a week 1hour, mostly geopolitics or conspiracy-related)
Usually the host Bonny Faulkner interviews a guest, but sometimes lectures or documentaries are broadcast.
Unwelcome Guests Unwelcome Guests (once a week 2 hours, interviews and lectures on various topics) A collective presents a mixture of interviews, readings, lectures and documentaries. Usually the episodes are issue-specific, but sometimes the host reads from a book in more than one episode.
BlackOpRadio - mostly about JFK Usually the host Len Osanic interviews one or more guests on his show. Jim DiEugenio acts as co-host and answers JFK-questions from the audience. He also presents new research in the JFK-community.
The Scott Horton Show Scott Horton sometimes likes to bash conspiracy theorists and I am no fan of his libertarian philosophy, but he has lots of interesting guests and I think he is a very good interviewer
Maybe a better question would be: "what do you want to know?"
If it's simply "what's going on today" then decide "where". Locally? Nationwide? Wordly? Does it really apply to you? Do you need to know?
To be honest, I hardly watch or read the news. The stuff I really need to know will get to me when it needs to. There are a lot of topics that I research every day and every day is different. When I research a topic, I spend as much time on it as needed until there are no more questions left. If I can't find the answer to something, I will carry it around for a while (sometimes years) and eventually there will always be an answer.
After doing your own research for a while you will get a nose for the truth and you won't need someone else to tell you what you need to know.
See, that conspiracy in itself, sounds a lot like the OP's problem with r/conspiracy. It's much more likely that Alex Jones is just a paranoid schizophrenic, as many hard core conspiracy theorists are.
To say he is controlled opposition is fucking moronic, but hilarious to read as someone who laughs at conspiracy theorists.
Very well put I think Alex Jones was brought in to distract people from the heavy truth that William Cooper was laying down. First district and ultimately replace. That's why Jones claims to have predicted 911, he didn't Bill * the original gangster* Cooper called that one.
Exactly. If Alex Jones was even a threat to the establishment then he would have ended up dead like cooper. Which is why I question most of these mainstream conspiracy theorists that think they have all the truth. Oh and did you know that Bill Clinton once called Cooper one of the most dangerous radio casters in the US? ;)
More importantly alex jones isnt organizing a god damn thing he just gets people scared and himself worked up. Wild bill cooper was a big player in , educating and preparing patriots and various militia movements. rest in peace wild bill
he acts funny when folks mention zionism. he is the high profile mouthpiece of the truth movement. it's too weird and his influence is too large for it to remain unconsidered. a lot of what he claims is well researched, and is even true at times, but a standard method of information management is to reveal almost all of the truth of an idea, enough to be observably worthy of trust, yet concealing or omitting or distorting a crucial fact. this effect, to me, seems most useful when occluding the ultimate head of a cryptocratic power structure, or a conspiracy that is becoming unraveled, a la mob history. IMO.
He also has a history of exposing the truth. He was the only one on the planet to provide proof of Bohemian Grove and Bilderberg. You don't have to go far back to see where he's exposing rotten corruption.
The Bohemian Grove thing was pretty much setup from the beginning. He didn't get all the juicy details we needed to understand this "ritual" that these people were doing.
interesting link. but they aren't worshiping the owl, either. and neither moloch nor the saint had an owl. Minerva did. regardless, that was good to learn.
True but these are a few things he keeps hammering on without getting into the details. Bilderberg this, bilderberg that. Listening to Alex will make you think they are 80% of the whole problem and own almost the whole world. Exposing Bohemian grove was nice but because of his reputation, almost nobody believes it. Do you really believe they would 'mock' human sacrifice? That's what they do at the county fair, you don't need a secret grove for that.
aaand this is why i'm not convinced he is a shill. on the other hand, there could possibly be reasons why the elite would want such facts to be 'leaked.' and on the other hand.. and on the other hand..
I listen to Alex Jones for seven. freaking. years. before I started to notice that it was the things he was NOT saying that caught my attention.
He lies. Alot.
He's a major gate keeper for Israel on the 9/11 front. His mantra "9/11 is an inside job" distracts away from Israel and focuses solely on US government.
I've completely stopped listening to his radio show and I haven't been to his web site in close to three years now.
Alex Jones angry behavior reveals his true Zionist nature.check this out at 2:00 AJ loses his shit bad.
Ya know, that's a good question. I've listened to a few people who have radio shows like Jack Blood, Christopher Bollyn, Kevin Barret and others ...they're OK...and interesting at best. My search for a "radio" show pretty much stopped. I gave up. I have found out of all of the so called truthers, Alan Sabrosky is by far the ballsiest and most qualified of them all to tell what actually took place on 9/11 from a geopolitical standpoint (my interest). He has many writings on the subject as well as interviews.
Why doesn't anybody just decide to figure it out once and for all, and conduct thorough independent surveillance on the guy? If those fuckers can do it, why can't we?
SURELY there's someone in our movement that would fund for a small group of people to bug the hell out of his house, track every communication, and otherwise try and find some kind of definitive evidence that can blow up on the internet?
um, reverse message clips? i have a far easier time accepting that ethnicity doesn't matter than aj speaks backwards to your unconscious.
talking about the lawyer having shares in the federal reserve, or "treetops," or the bank of isreal labeled as 6242% - is that a lot? i can't really follow whats going on in the link provided as proof. this pages whole theory relies on his lawyer owning stock in a the bank. does that really prove anything?
i honestly want to know if my attention is being misdirected by jones. most information claiming so, of the handful of sources i have found, is grasping at straws. (though admittedly this may be a piece should the puzzle exist)
does anybody have something at least a tiny bit more difficult to explain away? i honestly think i am judging this information without a sheeples normalcy bias perspective but is there something i'm missing? please help
When someone intentionally omits the truth, they become suspect.
It is a fact that the Israel, along with a cabal of Zionist and Neocon collaborators within the US, plotted and carried out the attacks on September 11th.
Any amount of objective research regarding these claims proves this beyond a reasonable doubt. Jones only serves to distract from this truth.
He is an agitator, a self proclaimed Zionist, and a shill.
As for the link, I can't vouch for it's authenticity. Especially the reverse speak bullshit.
You would have to be a pretty good hacker to get untraceable access to information like that...
Or get in touch with him personally to physically place a bug on him. Either way it will be risky and not something you want to do with a group of people you don't know.
How about the theory that the Aurora shooting was actually the TSA so they can take over malls and theaters? And yall ate it up. I'm not subscribed to /r/funny anymore because I get enough comedy here.
I wouldn't put it past the government to use it as a false flag. I agree that I hadn't heard the TSA specifically mentioned, but I think he was just using that off the cuff to refer to the government in a vague sense.
In addition to your point: I don't downvote submissions in /r/conspiracy unless I think the submitter is insincere. There needs to be a place where suspicious but unproven (or at least unacknowledged) wrongdoing can be discussed. Even if strongly convincing evidence is not yet available. The cost of this is that some low quality submissions will linger, but that's okay.
Whats wrong with these? I agree that UFOs are wierd, but I assumed this was what the OP was referring to about stooges planting stories (the comments in the thread seem to to agree that it was a blimp). The others seem like valid discussions to have.
Definitely, we've been lightening up around here in the last few years. Next week for movie night we're watching some light comedies, National Treasure, The Pacifier, Loose Change. Join us if you can.
tbh I believe that 9/11 and 7/7 were inside jobs in order to gain momentum from the public that we needed to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, but I don't believe in "the illuminati" that everyone bashes on about, I believe that yes there are people in the background that control these kinds of things but "the illuminati" is just a retarded name given to them which makes people think we're crazy because of just that.
but I do agree people buy into absolutely anything... like some are so fucking stupid they believe that some people are lizard, like come on...how fucking stupid does someone have to be to believe that shit...
how fucking stupid does someone have to be to believe that shit...
About as dumb as people who believe that /r/conspiracy is infested with NWO stooges and not just trolls or people that legitimately disagree ;)
That's the thing about conspiracies, they're not fact based but faith based. So really it's all up to how much you want to believe. You can believe I'm just a skeptic, or you can believe I'm some sort of reptoid neozionist scumbag. It's not up to me, it's up to you. How badly do you want to validate your worldview? How badly do you want to believe?
Easy there bud my point still applies. Stooges are stooges and you obviously believe there's a conspiracy to dilute this sub.
Here's the thing: conspiracies are all faith based, so in the end it's what you believe that shapes your reality, not facts.
Like I said previously, you can believe I'm just a skeptic, or you can believe I'm some sort of reptoid neozionist scumbag. It's not up to me, it's up to you. How badly do you want to validate your worldview?
Do you see how believing in stooges flooding a obscure sub and an off beat website is just as dumb as believing in aliens and reptoids? It's all faith based, and in the end that's moronic.
Great comeback bro, certainly refuted my point. With "rational" people like yourself, how come /r/conspiracy isn't the best sub around? With logic like that, how can you lose?
LOL, please, tell me again how the US govt pays me to spread disinformation on your pathetic subreddit?
IMO, the only people who say the creepy line
No, the only people who say that are rational human beings that understand the true nature of conspiracy theories: they're faith based, not fact based.
Thus it's ironic that all sorts of "evidence" is produced which doesn't matter because it's more akin to a religion, not a science.
Man, you're fucking stupid, no wonder you believe in all this bullshit. Tell me again how North korean floods are caused by HAARP?
There are a lot of legit crazy people on the internet, and they gravitate toward communities that are more accepting of alternative views. Every site has some. Don't be so quick to dismiss all of them as disinfo agents - I think there are at least as many that truly believe what they're saying.
No, he was acknowledging some conspiracies about Dick Cheney or something, but he was doing his best to paint all others as easily debunked and stupid. He was pretending to come from the perspective of someone older and wiser who had given up conspiracy theorizing as if it was some phase people grow out of, like listening to boy bands or something.
i think what hes saying is that the poster was alluding to the fact that he didnt believe in that stuff anymore because he was grown up now, thus if you believe in it you are immature or naive... very subtle
You don't forget what you've heard once you realise things aren't what they seem. It's like knowing the news is constantly spinning and lying and then sitting in front of the TV and taking it as gospel.
OP is saying "Anyone notice a lot of people wearing blue shirts around here lately?"
You are saying "Yeah, I saw a guy in a green one."
You are referring to two separate types of comments. Thanks for calling me stupid for trying to enlighten you to the difference between what you are discussing and what the OP is without dismissing you outright.
Stock response from one of those idiots...Anything brought up that isn't exactly what the mainstream media is reporting, some tool starts screaming "Alex Jones!" or "Ron Paul!"
Did it ever occur to you that people that disagree with you might just have different opinions and probably aren't in the payroll of the US govt? I've never understood the idea that because someone posts something that's contrary to your belief system it automatically makes them some sort of NWO stooge.
A far more likely scenario is that they actually disagree with you. You're not getting down votes because of some neo zionist conspiracy.
Posts like this further discredit a subset of the population that already has legitimacy issues. If you want people to believe what you believe, dismissing everyone as "shills" is probably a bad tactic.
This is, by the way, the single most common disagreement received when anyone starts talking about shills, and is basically a conjuring of the rational spirit, which also conveniently is often used to set up an additional opportunity to discredit or insult the larger 'group,' defined here as conspiracy theorists. Which I see you also took advantage of.
Posts like this further discredit a subset of the population that already has legitimacy issues.
Well done.
Posts like this do no benefit for anyone by generalizing folks and their social experience levels. Using instances of socially inept 'conversations' to attack the broad field of conspiracy theories is crap.
Have you considered decaf? It make help w/ the "jumping down everyone's throat" thing you got going on.`I never dismissed everyone as shills ... you should try working on your comprehension or re-read comments before you pounce.
The implications of your statement was the belief that this sub has some sort of stooge conspiracy to repress legitimate opinions. I can hardly say I agree, but in the end how badly do you want to believe? Am I just a skeptic, or some sort of paid shill? It's up to you, not me. Anything I say will confirm your previously held beliefs.
I don't think you are a shill ... I have no evidence of that. I do think you are an asshole ... there is plenty of evidence here to support that claim.
Agreed, what makes the fake conspiracies fake and the supposed true ones so? They are all based on crap hearsay and bad logic mixed with sensationalism and skewed facts. So what makes one lie better than another?
It's a usual intelligence agency technique: create different versions of a situation so that all could be equally plausible or make up some absurd nonsense that as you said, makes anything on the reddit look ridiculous by association.
Then there's the down vote-any-opinion-that-disagrees-with-your political, military-or-economic-policy technique. Get the bot to download it to zero or one and keep it right there.
I think it's far more likely that of all the people claiming to see hidden truths given away by minute details, some of them are just nutjobs chasing shadows.
If you ask me, most of them are just nutjobs chasing shadows.
Mark Lane wrote the very first book questioning the JFK assassination. He was a "leader" in advocating a JFK conspiracy for years.
Years later: Lane was an attorney for James Earl Ray. He spread disinformation throughout the House Special Committee on Assassinations.
And then: Lane took a key witness in the MLK assassination case to Jonestown (yes, that Jonestown), so that key witness was unable to testify before Congress.
And then: Lane was paid $6000/month by Jim Jones & the Peoples' Temple to accuse the CIA of attacking Jonestown, when in fact Jim Jones had circumstantial ties to the CIA.
And then: The Jonestown Massacre killed the key witness, interrupted the House Special Committee on Assassinations (one day after Atlanta FBI agents testified that the Atlanta FBI office celebrated MLK's assassination). But Lane miraculously survived.
To this day, Mark Lane is respected by many ignorant JFK assassination activists. And he continues to spread disinformation.
This was posted the other day and it seems very relevant. It is a long read, but skim through and you will see clear patterns emerging on social media sites: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
I got banned from a forum for suggesting Obama was a bought off president. I was met with all sorts of racist accusations but I went back about six months later and laughed at all of them.
There's money in selling the outrageous, why do you think Alex Jones has been able to have the career he has or the National Inquirer still exists? It's two fronts:
Alex Jones sells fear, his sponsors (mainly gold-sellers, army surplus, and survival gear) benefit financially from the fearful. The more fear he can pedal the better for his bottom line.
On the other hand, people like those behind Sorcha Faal or the National Inquirer sell the outrageous as entertainment, they make sensational claims involving all sorts of dis/mis-information to grab the readers attention and get them to buy their books/magazines.
On top of all that you have the old conspiracy theorists/skeptic mantra of "question everything" people attracted to this kind of stuff want to believe there's more happening that what seems apparent, thus the outrageous is given equal voice as the possible or plausible.
In short it shouldn't surprise anyone that enjoys this kind of stuff(me included) that there are people who willfully act as megaphones for the Jones' and Faals of the world in hope that the sensational bullshit they push has some basis in reality.
There has been a lot of fake conspiracies to generate internet traffic revenue lately, especially with the batman shooting..... But there are those who want to distract you from finding the truth of things by creating false conspiracies to trick you and make you waste your time.
Coming from someone who has posted such gems as "Green Lantern Gay - The Queerification of America", "Spontaneous Human Combustion", "Race and Intelligence - [9:48]".
Honestly a lot of what gets posted on here make it look crazy. Anything that has to do with reptilian aliens and shit like that is so far from say, 9/11 conspiracies or blatent false info on the wars that are going on. I feel like there should be another subreddit for off the wall alien/2012/zombies it whatever other crazy shit gets posted.
And herein lies the real problem with /r/conspiracy. I can post pretty much any crazy nonsense, link it to a few batshit insane pages / blogs, and it's considered legitimate and goes unquestioned. I could post that the Earth is flat over here and get upvotes.
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This was posted the other day and it seems very relevant. It is a long read, but skim through and you will see clear patterns emerging on social media sites: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
You have far too much faith in human intelligence. Reddit has ~50M unique users on any given day. 10% of them have accounts. 10% of them post. I have no problem believing that a few dozen people out of a half-million are legitimately racist idiots.
There are specific reasons, like low intelligence, that make it more likely that the "neo nazis" are phake thread poisoner than the genuine article. Shouting "nigger!" in an anti-racist thread is suspect behavior.
Did you ever notice that a lot of conspiracy theories are bat-shit-pants-on-head-crazy? Just because they are nuts doesn't necessarily mean they are not sincere...
My personal thought on conspiracy theory has always been that it can not be proven or disproved. Disproved = false, proven = fact and all other is conspiracy theory.
I find arguing religion pointless myself but love talking conspiracy theory. One thing I brought up with coworkers is the wiki leaks scandal when it started. Though the evidence released is quite damning for many in power can you prove one way or the other that it was not done to create laws to control internet content?
My only OP link/post on here was intentionally outlandish (I thought). So I'll out myself on here that I am not a conspiracy believer. It is pretty sad, in your guys' worldview it appears that there are two types of people, those who agree with you and then there is the CoIntelPro.
Which, by the way, from the way you guys describe it, would be a horribly boring job that apparently thousands of people are being paid to do. But for suggesting that there is a chance, possibly, maybe are other reasonably minded people who question the validity of your claims I will be labeled as a disinfo agent (because I have constributed so much false information).
-Keep smoking your weed (opiate of the masses)-Polimodern
I wouldn't say all of them a "paid to do" by blacklisting conspiracy theorists (though if there is something to hide, I'm sure there has been some sort of thing like that) but honestly it's probably people trolling, that just adds, so realistically you wouldn't need to pay anyone.
maybe are other reasonably minded people who question the validity of your claims I will be labeled as a disinfo agent (because I have constributed so much false information).
which points to you being one of them?, If you do not believe in conspiracies why bother posting if it isn't to make us look like idiots?
and that whole "keep smoking your weed" statement is pretty immature if i'm honest...
I bother posting because I believe in trying to reveal how irrational the logic of a lot of /r/conspiracy is. It often lacks a scientific method. It often lacks a nuance for the degrees of certainty in its truth claims. I chose my handle because I believe a preponderance of the communities on the internet have now become isolated absolutist communities. The extent to which people stay and choose to be isolated will determine the level of despair, discontent, and friction within my country.
I don't care to make people look like idiots. I want to engage people where I think they are misled. The Western world thrived on a competition of ideas. Within institutions and academies, ideas could be reasoned, challenged, and studied. Proponents of alternate realities/ viewpoints used to not be villified or demonized. Now you have designed formal epistemological categories for classes of people (Sliders/disinfo agents/politburo whatevers) that make you not have to acknowledge or engage competing truth claims. I.e. if someone denies that they are in one of these categories it proves that they are in the category. The only appropriate self-categorization for someone who disagrees with you apparently is apathy or a resigned nihilism. Which is ironic, because many of the conspiracy arguments is that all of the problems exist because there are so many disinterested, apathetic people.
I believe that we (America mostly) have devolved as a community that cannot engage with people who hold competing views.
the whole 'MySperm' name is pretty immature if i'm honest...
Now you have designed formal epistemological categories for classes of people (Sliders/disinfo agents/politburo whatevers) that make you not have to acknowledge or engage competing truth claims.
Are you kidding? Is that not what is happening when people call someone a conspiracy theorist?
An honest question: have you considered that there are shills who act like 'conspiracy theorists' to reinforce the 'tard meme? To my mind, both sides of the field are being played, and that is really the only way to do it. Either way, any one of us worth our salt aren't fooled by the hyperbolic nonsense used to criticize us as a lot item.
Whats crazy is people don't look at the things that are obvious. This post isn't about any of the theories in particular but it is fairly obvious why people question them.
9000sins has also played ignorant when discussing the blatant racism from tttt0tttt and bumblingmumbling.
I appreciate that a conspiracy-themed forum would be hesitant to censor people, but if the front page is constantly full of insane crap than nobody's going to notice if you blow the whistle on something like LIBOR.
If you're speaking of their comments regarding Zionists
They hardly say a word about Zionists. Mostly they talk about Jews, because they can't or won't recognize the difference.
Jew's aren't a race.
Yes, they are. I mean besides the obvious insular nature of Judaic culture over millennia of quiet persecution, to the point where recessive traits are a serious problem and the Ashkenazis are studied for their longevity, the sort of white nationalist shitheads who constantly go on about "the Jews" sure as fuck also mean it in a racial sense. The Hebrews or Israelites or Leviites or whatever else you'd like to call them to distinguish the concept from religious Judaica are as genetically and physiologically distinct as any other race.
What's a Semite?
A semite is a member of a semitic ethnicity, i.e. one associated with a semitic language. It includes most languages and related ethnic groups along the Red Sea and eastern Mediterranean. The fact that the word is adopted from Hebrew is kind of a hint.
You can't seriously believe there are only five ethnicities for seven billion people. Where do the steppes peoples fit in? How do you pigeonhole light-skinned North Africans? What about native Americans and Inuits? What about Australian aboriginals? What about the Mayans, the Inca, and the Aztecs? Claiming there's no such thing as Hebrews is even more stubbornly ignorant than refusing to acknowledge that "Jews" is not a synonym for "Zionists."
Can I not convert to Judaism?
You can, at which point you'd be Jewish (religiously). You can also be born to an Ashkenazi family and convert to Christianity, at which point you'd still be Jewish (ethnically). The word simply does not have the clear-cut and unambiguous meaning you're pretending it has. I don't doubt the idiots you're defending take advantage of this ambiguity in their constant denial of how blatantly bigoted they are.
diselphiend is one of them. He claims to make distinctions, but his posts have made it clear that all Jews - religious or not - are JEWS, and worthy of hate due to being part of a grand conspiracy from birth. He's just as much an ignorant hatemonger as bumblingmumbling, and to top it off, he's much less coherent.
When you said "Indians," I thought you meant people from the subcontinent of India. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in light of how obviously distinct they are from "Asians" as in the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. I figured you were forgetful, but smart enough not to lump Gandhi and Mao into the same ethnicity.
Many of the groups you're mentioning are sub-races.
Then I guess bumblingmumbling is only insufferably sub-racist.
This is the dumbest argument I've had in months. You might as well claim cats aren't a real family of animals because there are only five kingdoms of life. "Sub-races" are still distinct ethnic groups, whatever you insist on calling them, and the racist motherfuckers who blame them for the downfall of mankind aren't nearly so picky about vocabulary.
Sorry, I didn't realize you get so hung up on semantics. Do you commit violent crimes? There are no "hate crime" laws for non-violent offenses. I hope you enjoyed your irrelevant rant...
Race is a social construct. Meaning that not only is the concept of "race" something that we (as a society) created, but it has changed over time. Citing passports and employment forms as proof of race's existence is circular, and in the United States it is always framed as self-identification, with an understanding it's a construct. "Jew" as you would say, could easily be a race, all it takes is an agreement by enough people. Take a look at the role of race in Brazilian society. When Anthropologists talk about "race", they are either describing the social effects that the concept of race has, or because the actual operational word, population, proves inadequate.
And you think it's all for nothing hey? You think so many people blame the Jews for so much simply because they are a minority? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is? Why aren't they blaming Native Americans, Blacks, Asians and other ethnic minorities?
Dieselphiend, ladies and gentlemen, arguing that racists must have a good reason for their hatred. No smoke without fire, right? It would be ridiculous to believe that they're simply a bunch of small-minded pricks who inherited ancient prejudices, since nobody has ever been bigoted against other minorities, and therefore the simple fact of their bigotry is its own justification. Genius!
Because other ethnic minorities weren't blamed for the death of their Lord and Savior for the last 2000 years? Just because people have hated Jews for a LONG TIME doesn't mean there was ever a good reason. The existence of a belief is not proof that the belief is correct. That's circular logic of the kind only a racist or religious fundamentalist would employ.
antisemitism (which is not the opposite of semitism btw but has had 'hatred of jews' attached to it from the very beginning of the term) has three main pillars: in chronological order of appearance antiminority/ethnicity, antijudaism and finally pseudoscientic biologistic racism. it's not just a subset of racism, even though you'll encounter that aspect, too, from time to time. like here
What is it with these Israel-first Zionist Jews and their snake and whore Gentile accomplices? Is treachury and treason programmed into their DNA, or what?
the bolsheviks had an overproportional portion of jews because of the overproportional portion of jews in intellectual circles. communism is no jewish endeavour because the jews in the movement didn't act in their 'function' as ethnic jews but as educated individuals with an attitude who wanted to change the world for the better (which quickly turned into a power struggle with catastrophic consequences). i've yet to see any proof that the jews in the bolshevik movement acted/conspired together as jews to further their own agenda.
and what genocide of the palestinians are you talking about? if israel wanted to eradicate the palestinians the are doing an exceptionally bad job. this casualty list, awful as it reads, puts things a little in perspective. even the percentage of malnourished children in the west bank and in gaza is lower or on par with neighboring countries. so much for israel starving the palestinians.
And what about so-called Jews - those of Jewish ancestry - who AREN'T adherents to the Jewish religion? Where do they fit into your narrative? Are all people of Jewish descent assumed to be of the Jewish religion?
Purges don't ask philosophical questions. Hatemongers like you don't go from house to house asking if the family inside are simply descended from Jews, or if they're practicing. Hitler's death squads didn't ask "Do you support Zionism"? before hauling "Jews" off to the gas chambers.
You claim not to be talking about Jews as an ethnicity, but that's all you do. You're a liar, plain and simple, and you spew hate towards an ethnic group, then pretend you're only talking about RELIGIOUS Jews, or Zionists.
I'm neither. I don't support Israel, and I don't practice Judaism, yet somehow, I'm always lumped in with "THE JEWS". If that's not proof that you people are just trying to pass your racism off as righteous anger over a creed (Zionism or Judaism), I don't know what is.
Heads up: when someone takes the time to reply to your bigotry, it doesn't mean you're right. It just means you're an ignorant jerk in need of correction.
Then why do you, and every other anti-semite on r/conspiracy, treat them like one?
You can't have it both ways. Either you need to stop talking about ethnic Jews and referring to them as Zionists, or you need to admit that you're actually referring to all people of Jewish descent, regardless of religious affiliation, when you tell people that "the Jews" are responsible for all the evil in the world.
I AM NOT AN ISRAELI, SO DO NOT TALK TO ME LIKE I AM!
Is that clear enough for you?
I think the last thousand years have proven Jews are the only religion on earth that can't live in peace.
Hilarious. You seem to have forgotten a very, very large list of atrocities.
They instigate wars,
Crusades, to name one, for Christianity. I could probably list a dozen other wars motivated by Christianity or Islam, the two religions ACTUALLY 'spread by the sword', unlike Judaism.
famine
[Citation needed]
and genocide
[Citation needed]. If you're talking about THE BIBLE, that shit probably never happened.
everywhere they go. They rob, steal and murder.
No more than Christians. There's ZERO evidence to back this up besides your own bullshit prejudices.
They think acquiring money is next to godliness.
Says you.
They molest children without fear of prosecution.
Oh, you mean like The Catholic Church still does? You mean like the Muslims in various countries who still take Child brides? You're a massive hypocrite. These two religions do this as well, and they do it on a MUCH more massive scale. Don't you DARE sit there and pretend these are crimes invented by or unique to Judaism, when Child Marriage is sunnah, since the Prophet Muhammed took Aisha as his bride at age 9.
They segregate themselves
YOU segregate us. You - and I do mean Christian Europe - has driven Jews into ghettos and insular communities for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. YOU struck first. YOU made the Jews hide.
hoard money,
refuse to pay taxes
and they are preach ethnic and religious superiority.
Because there are no groups of white Christians or Muslims who've ever done that. Bullshit.
They do it all...
Every single claim you made about Judaism applies to Christianity and Islam, you've just chosen to ignore it because - wait for it - you're a prejudiced bigot. You sit here and pretend that Islam and Christianity haven't started wars, or caused people to be mistreated, or kept women in a place of subjugation for millennia, or institutionally abused Children on a much larger scale than Judaism, but you're just WRONG. These religions have had far more numerous crimes committed in their names in the last thousand years, and to say otherwise is a complete revision of history.
Heck, they even celebrate the slaughter of 75 thousand Persians every year, it's a motherfucking holiday.
If you mean Purim, no, you're wrong again. What's being celebrated is survival. There's a joke in my family, that every Jewish holiday has the same story: "they tried to kill us, they didn't, let's eat." That's it. Almost every holiday isn't a celebration of the people God killed for us, but of the fact that people have been TRYING to wipe us off the face of the Earth for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, and yet, here we are, still alive, even if most of us are atheists these days.
They are a disgusting people, born out of myth, deceit, murder and betrayal, and they do not deserve to live.
When someone tells me that I don't deserve to live because of my birth, regardless of what I believe, that person is a monster. You are a monster, dieselphiend, and your calls for a genocide are disgusting.
He's projecting his own repulsive attitude onto an entire group of people. There's so much hate inside him, it has to be directed at something. There has to be a reason for why he feels so empty and angry, it can't just be that he's defective in some fundamental way (the assertion that he makes about Jewish people).
Understand this: I'm a Quaker, we have never persecuted any group or nationality the world over
No, YOU are dieselphiend, and YOU are a hateful bigot.
I'm done with this. Here's the part that you've never understood: the world is made up of individuals. People are not simply defined as the group you choose to represent them; they can't all be fit in neat little boxes like "Jew" or "Non-Jew". Whatever Quakers have or haven't done, your argument wasn't "Quakers are the best religion", it was "Jews are the worst, because they're the only ones who've done [huge list of things that Christianity and Islam have been guilty of]". Stop talking about your ancestors. You don't get to take credit for them, and you don't have to apologize for them, any more than I have to apologize for mine, or take credit for mine.
You didn't try to prove to me that YOU'RE not guilty of the things Jews are guilty of, you tried to prove to me that NO ONE ELSE is guilty of those things. I responded with irrefutable examples that completely shattered your narrative, so you changed your argument, rather than admitting that you were wrong. That's dishonest enough that this will be my last response to you.
What's happening in the HERE and NOW is that you are preaching hate, and engaging in persecution. I don't give a shit if that's not something "Quakers" do, it's something YOU are doing, and nothing in the world can undo that fact. If Quakers don't preach hate, and YOU are preaching hate, then either YOU are not a Quaker, or Quakers CAN be hateful. Those are the options - take your pick.
Also: you seem to think that the problems of Christianity and Islam lie in the distant past. I believe I made it quite clear that this is NOT the case. Militant Islamists are blowing themselves up now. They're taking child-wives now. Catholic priests are engaging in (and covering up for) Pedophilia now. Protestant Christians are harassing (and sometimes assaulting) homosexuals now. These religions - and I know that ultraorthodox Jews are every bit as bad, today - are engaging in these evils in the modern world. Stop pretending that I'm talking about thousands of years ago - I'm not. I made it very clear that your entire speech was nothing but bias, repeatedly turning a blind eye to
Lastly, the fact that you attribute "The holocaust of Russian political dissidents" to Jews or Judaism is ludicrous; it can be attributed to Josef Stalin, and he was certainly no Jew.
What I expect from your reply: The same shit that's been in every other reply of yours - hate, historical revisionism, and excuses for why you're NOT a prejudiced asshole, while at the same time saying incredibly prejudiced things.
I won't be replying to you again on this topic. We may meet again, in some thread in the future, where I see you spreading misinformation without a care in the world as to whether or not some tidbit that fits your narrative is true, and I'll call you on it then. But here, tonight, you attempted to argue that history had played out a certain way, and when I demonstrated that you were completely and utterly wrong, you changed the subject and went on the defensive. I don't debate people who can't accept when they've said something false. Goodnight.
No one knows what you're talking about. He has repeatedly destroyed your generalized statements and your incomplete recollection of both history and current events. You have your head really, really far up your own ass. Listing a bunch of terms that you don't understand won't make your nonsense more valid. It just makes you look like a stubborn pseudo-intellectual.
Only a complete fucking loser with no skills to offer would be this immersed in bullshit. You have nothing, which is why you'll spend your life blaming others for your failures and trying to take pride in accomplishments that have nothing to do with you. Virtually everything you write is false. You won't trust sourced Wikipedia, but you'll sure as hell trust any random source that confirms what you want to hear. You are a low, low form of human.
Wow dude. You are absolutely crazy, and I definitely won't judge all conspiracy theorists by you. You're completely deluded if you believe any of the garbage you just spewed. Anyone who isn't a racist pig like you would stare in utter disbelief at the steaming pile of generalized horse shit that you just dumped into cyberspace.
I wonder why they don't blame other ethnic minorities?
Have you been to r/niggers or r/whiterights? They blame Hispanics and blacks just as often as Jews, just in different ways; Jews are described as evil Masterminds, while blacks are described as sub-human beasts. White Supremacists do not solely focus on Jews; antisemites solely focus on Jews.
Even Israels very own scholars have proven Judaism is essentially a myth, race, exile, everything.
Yes, in the exact same sense. Both are founded on things that never happened. Judaism is in no way worse that the two evangelical religions that have actually caused wars for the last two thousand years. Get your facts straight.
no. semite is a term for the speakers of semitic languages, jews and many others included. the term 'anti-semitic' was coined to describe the hatred of jews and was quickly adapted by antisemites to describe themselves (wilhelm marr etc).
Yeah, totally. A lot of stooges pretending to be conspiracy theorists here, for sure. They try and tell us that 9/11 was a conspiracy, that jews and or reptillians run the world and that JFK's driver shot him. Damn idiots, stop ruining the movement.
Exactly. If Alex Jones was even a threat to the establishment then he would have ended up dead like cooper. Which is why I question most of these mainstream conspiracy theorists that think they have all the truth. Oh and did you know that Bill Clinton once called Cooper one of the most dangerous radio casters in the US? ;)
You are right to believe many of his claims. The sad thing is that he does not provide details for about half of his stories, he rambles on without getting to the point and will never personally expose people. He will always make it out to be a mysterious group of people that are ruling the whole world. Of course this is true, but it does not help to keep saying that without naming these people and the crimes they commit.
Except Duane, whom I have never heard before, I like to listen to all the people you have listed.
Here are some additional podcasts which you might like:
Guns & Butter Guns and Butter (once a week 1hour, mostly geopolitics or conspiracy-related)
Usually the host Bonny Faulkner interviews a guest, but sometimes lectures or documentaries are broadcast.
Unwelcome Guests Unwelcome Guests (once a week 2 hours, interviews and lectures on various topics) A collective presents a mixture of interviews, readings, lectures and documentaries. Usually the episodes are issue-specific, but sometimes the host reads from a book in more than one episode.
BlackOpRadio - mostly about JFK Usually the host Len Osanic interviews one or more guests on his show. Jim DiEugenio acts as co-host and answers JFK-questions from the audience. He also presents new research in the JFK-community.
The Scott Horton Show Scott Horton sometimes likes to bash conspiracy theorists and I am no fan of his libertarian philosophy, but he has lots of interesting guests and I think he is a very good interviewer
And herein lies the real problem with /r/conspiracy. I can post pretty much any crazy nonsense, link it to a few batshit insane pages / blogs, and it's considered legitimate and goes unquestioned. I could post that the Earth is flat over here and get upvotes.
Have you considered decaf? It make help w/ the "jumping down everyone's throat" thing you got going on.`I never dismissed everyone as shills ... you should try working on your comprehension or re-read comments before you pounce.
Now you have designed formal epistemological categories for classes of people (Sliders/disinfo agents/politburo whatevers) that make you not have to acknowledge or engage competing truth claims.
Are you kidding? Is that not what is happening when people call someone a conspiracy theorist?
An honest question: have you considered that there are shills who act like 'conspiracy theorists' to reinforce the 'tard meme? To my mind, both sides of the field are being played, and that is really the only way to do it. Either way, any one of us worth our salt aren't fooled by the hyperbolic nonsense used to criticize us as a lot item.
This is, by the way, the single most common disagreement received when anyone starts talking about shills, and is basically a conjuring of the rational spirit, which also conveniently is often used to set up an additional opportunity to discredit or insult the larger 'group,' defined here as conspiracy theorists. Which I see you also took advantage of.
Posts like this further discredit a subset of the population that already has legitimacy issues.
Well done.
Posts like this do no benefit for anyone by generalizing folks and their social experience levels. Using instances of socially inept 'conversations' to attack the broad field of conspiracy theories is crap.
He's projecting his own repulsive attitude onto an entire group of people. There's so much hate inside him, it has to be directed at something. There has to be a reason for why he feels so empty and angry, it can't just be that he's defective in some fundamental way (the assertion that he makes about Jewish people).
got one right, another half right (as the dude in the first link worked for the oil sands, semi shill protecting his work, advocating on the behalf of shills because they atleast add discussion)
i apologize when i go on the attack and i find myself to be wrong, and did so quite frequently today. Nor do i intend to continue with that attitude, as i didn't really like the experience of trolling so hard.
Atleast i'm trying to dispell misinformation, which i still did even with the oil fracking guy who used an outdated statistic and misrepresented the facts. One and a half out of three ain't bad.
conspiracy has gotten nearly triple the viewers in the course of three years, this to me indicates a shift in the normal train of thought. With such an increase, we have also seen more and more of the old topics that would only fly here being reposted in politics, passing off in world news, and the like.
This ain't no backwater board anymore. It's become vital to the process. It's only natural that the place where truth is hinted at would be selectively targetted, hence again, the topic we are posting in.
The current debate is about the watering down of quality, a ploy at misdirection. A way to turn the populace away from this place. Somebody is afraid of this place. I've seen really shitty posts here lately, as compared to last year when firms just started hiring the shills.
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55 Lobster_Man 2012-07-29
I question the legitimacy of many of the accounts on reddit...
3 apsalarshade 2012-07-29
good, you should.
2 Innate1 2012-07-29
True, disinformation is always being written. It doesn't help the claim of the author with a name like "MySperm"
0 Mahat 2012-07-29
are there any sources for pointing out our shills? I've forced the hand of two today.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/xe278/natural_gas_fracking_industry_may_be_paying_off/c5lnpq1?context=3
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/xe2gz/there_is_not_much_in_this_for_you_but_this_is_the/c5lnqms?context=3
The second dude was fun to play with. God i love not having a job, and being able to do the good work of man.
3 englad 2012-07-29
Anyone who disagrees with you you label a shill.
1 Mahat 2012-07-29
got one right, another half right (as the dude in the first link worked for the oil sands, semi shill protecting his work, advocating on the behalf of shills because they atleast add discussion)
i apologize when i go on the attack and i find myself to be wrong, and did so quite frequently today. Nor do i intend to continue with that attitude, as i didn't really like the experience of trolling so hard.
Atleast i'm trying to dispell misinformation, which i still did even with the oil fracking guy who used an outdated statistic and misrepresented the facts. One and a half out of three ain't bad.
atleast i admited to my mistakes.
2 englad 2012-07-29
working for a company doesn't mean what you say about them is false, even if it's good mahat.
1 WeenisWrinkle 2012-07-29
Wait so no one's paying you to argue with the paid shills? You're doing it out of the goodness of your heart? Wow, you're a hero among men.
1 Mahat 2012-07-29
We participate in this online community to gauge the human reaction to events, to debate our opinions, to sway others from harmful philosophy's on life, and to get facts straight.
Having said that, anybody who is paid to sway public opinions, or to dilute the truth of the matter, is detracting from the human experience in the name of greed. Without the possibility of having free thought, the process is pointless, and harmfull to society.
Doing something about it is the first step to a better internet, a better world. And it takes all kinds, even shills to run this convergence of multiple realities we call life, but they have their own format for bringing about change, and should stick to it. It's called lobying. Lobying politicians is one thing, but lobying people into believing and supporting a position or a belief that is not inherantly the best for said people, is just evil. And i'll fight to the death for my beliefs, i may not have money or many possesions, but i have values and ethics in lieu of those frivolous and meaningless things.
Atleast, this way, at the end of my life, i'll have no guilt.
1 WeenisWrinkle 2012-07-29
I guess you didn't get my sarcasm. The idea that anyone would pay someone to argue on conspiracy message boards is just laughable.
I would argue you could better serve mankind by getting a job and bettering the economy for all of us - as I feel you are fighting an imaginary foe posting here.
1 Mahat 2012-07-29
why would i want to support a system that works off of the backs of the poor for the benefit of a few, a system which can't grant the american dream to everybody, only a constant of suffering? A system so corrupt that with a little bad luck, one can lose everything he has worked for, simply because of an inadequate rule of law?
Why do you think i posted in response? I got your sarcasm, and responded with my ideals.
Where exactly have you been living? Under a rock?
http://forums.pcworld.com/index.php?/topic/127381-paid-shills-in-forums-online-reputation-management/
It's now an entire industry, manipulating public images for companies, millitary propaganda, dispersing false information for the media..
It's not an imaginary foe, they are just invisible until we out them. Look at the topic you came in here to post about, what do you think it is about?
2 WeenisWrinkle 2012-07-29
I'm not arguing that the system doesn't suck. I'm arguing that posting walls of text in /r/conspiracy is about the least effective method of inducing change in this country that you could possibly employ.
Sure, there might be some paid shills...in legitimate forums. This shit-hole of garbage, /r/conspiracy, has none.
1 Mahat 2012-07-29
conspiracy has gotten nearly triple the viewers in the course of three years, this to me indicates a shift in the normal train of thought. With such an increase, we have also seen more and more of the old topics that would only fly here being reposted in politics, passing off in world news, and the like.
This ain't no backwater board anymore. It's become vital to the process. It's only natural that the place where truth is hinted at would be selectively targetted, hence again, the topic we are posting in.
The current debate is about the watering down of quality, a ploy at misdirection. A way to turn the populace away from this place. Somebody is afraid of this place. I've seen really shitty posts here lately, as compared to last year when firms just started hiring the shills.
I'm certain this shit hole has plenty.
36 istalkezreddit 2012-07-29
Yes, among them Alex jones and other shit sources...
12 kingoober 2012-07-29
Ohhh Alex jones the bill o'reilly of the conspiracy world
3 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Fuck it, we'll make it up live
0 istalkezreddit 2012-07-29
He saw the market and took the job, leading the blind through the information sewers!.
10 Bhauk 2012-07-29
Yeah. The real danger of Alex Jones is that he makes people who sincerely question the truth look like kooks because they'll be associated with him.
He's so absurd though that only young people or those that are useless could really fall for his drivel. I mean when I was like 21 or something I didn't yet realize he was full of shit but a few years later and it's quite obvious.
7 Billistic 2012-07-29
Well the thing about Alex Jones is he keeps leading people down the rabbit hole because they keep asking why, so he gives you a reason why.
3 Hellbender712 2012-07-29
True, but does he not disclose when he speculates? From what I have heard from him this seems to be the case. Most of all of his articles seems fairly well sourced to me.
5 Billistic 2012-07-29
Probably depends on who he's talking to.
His stories are real and the plight is real. The rich are out for power and control.
Then people ask "Why? Aren't they happy with what they got?"
Then he goes "No, they want total control over us and probably to wipe us out"
Then you go "Why?"
"So they can be exclusive on the planet"
Then you go "Why?"
Then he says:
Because they're horrible people who live in a bubble and don't see beyond their world and have long since been able to grasp the concept of "other people"
Because there's basically 4 or 5 guys are the top who are overall trying to be the only one to hold the brass ring.
They're aliens/lizard people who want to control the earth for it's resources for their alien race.
Basically the conspiracy needs and end and when shit is this bad/crazy you need some big crazy reason why it's all happening.
I think a lot of Alex Jones articles are well sourced and true but when they start trying to figure out the elite's end game that's when you need to know you're listening to speculation.
4 Hellbender712 2012-07-29
I see, and I agree for the most part. I just can't fault him for not being able to figure out things that no one has ever been able nail down completely.
3 6079Smith 2012-07-29
The best liars intermingle truth with their fiction. If he was completely full of shit everyone would figure it out. He has just enough facts and reputable interviewees to appear legit to the less critical thinkers or uninitiated but more than enough hyperbole and craziness to immediately discredit himself with the mainstream. I'd also point out it's what he is NOT saying that is important.. check out who he's married to and what he will never talk about. If he was legit he would talk about Zionism and Israeli/American politics.
2 Hellbender712 2012-07-29
Oh yes, that which goes unsaid is often the most important. Also if you feel you are being herded toward a intellectual corral, well you probably are. He may be an agent. Hell I don't know. All I say is take what grains of truth he gives and see what fruits they bare.
2 6079Smith 2012-07-29
I dunno if he's an agent but it would not shock me. Maybe he found his niche selling fear, televangelist style, I'm sure he's not hurting financially. Whatever he is, he is less than sincere and I can't stand him or what he represents. That said, I still tune in when someone I respect is being interviewed. Just take AJ with a grain of salt. Rock salt.
1 WeenisWrinkle 2012-07-29
What exactly is an 'agent'?
2 WeenisWrinkle 2012-07-29
Ask a question. Downvoted without an explanation. Thanks /r/conspiracy!
1 Hellbender712 2012-07-29
"An Agent is one who acts for, or in the place of, another, by authority from him; one entrusted with the business of another."
1 WeenisWrinkle 2012-07-29
Thanks Merriam Webster.
6 KnightKrawler 2012-07-29
I think the proper term for Alex Jones is "Controlled Opposition".
3 Notemy 2012-07-29
That's the best way of describing it in two words.
0 SoundSalad 2012-07-29
CoIntelPro?
3 [deleted] 2012-07-29
I am 21 now and realizing how crazy he is. Borrows too much from glen beck with the yelling, screaming and appeal to pathos. He has some decent writers on his site and brings up a lot of important government scandals but its just the presentation is so ridiculous. Trying to branch out and find better alternate news but no dice so far.
1 Bhauk 2012-07-29
Just meditate and forget about all that stuff www.freemeditation.com
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Sage advice. Been getting back into meditation and yoga, its great.
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2 Bhauk 2012-07-29
http://youtu.be/LhqUk28OwHs
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0 Bhauk 2012-07-29
http://youtu.be/bHVTJtDZSe8
0 oddballkink 2012-07-29
you have ever listened to him(alex jones) its kind of funny how many things are the end result of an "psy op". Example, the movie shooting recently was done to Assist in passing the UN small arms ban Put TSA in malls and other places Shows how movies are used for MK U ltra hitmen triggers And on and on and on. While there are always tidbits of true info Alex Jones is a loose cannon and an actor who is good for a laugh. As a person who truely feels that there are hidden agendas i find Alex Jones a liability.
1 Bhauk 2012-07-29
That's his job (being a liability). Isn't the official title "agent provocateur"?
9 Hellbender712 2012-07-29
What do you consider non-shit sources?
-2 istalkezreddit 2012-07-29
You have to look into stuff for yourself, read all the boring books published by world leaders of societies and foundations that are actively working for globalisation. usually they talk pretty straight forward about how they predict the future and the direction they will lead the heards. These days we are up for a new depression and I think we will get a new economic type of system.
6 Hellbender712 2012-07-29
"Look into stuff for yourself". Yes, this is true words of wisdom.
2 Notemy 2012-07-29
The only way that you are going to learn what the real truth looks like is to do the research yourself. There is no way that you are going to get it handed to you on a silver platter or even recognize it when you are seeing/hearing the actual truth if you don't find out for yourself what it is.
0 Hellbender712 2012-07-29
I agree completely. I have been looking into things long before AJ came along. That's how I know much of what he says is dead on target, and that's why I can't understand why there is so much hatred for him. His shit is free and well sourced. I suppose there are many that just need a hand to hold onto.
4 Notemy 2012-07-29
You are right to believe many of his claims. The sad thing is that he does not provide details for about half of his stories, he rambles on without getting to the point and will never personally expose people. He will always make it out to be a mysterious group of people that are ruling the whole world. Of course this is true, but it does not help to keep saying that without naming these people and the crimes they commit.
1 Hellbender712 2012-07-29
I have to agree here. His style, at least for me leaves much to be desired.
5 highdra 2012-07-29
C'mon he's not that baaad.
3 JupitersClock 2012-07-29
What scares me is 17 people disagree with you.
3 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
A large number of you believe the shit that Alex Jones spews. He's VERY popular. You can't write it off as being only "disinfo agents" that post - that's just dishonest. You don't get to have this community, and then claim that any member of it who seems crazier than you isn't genuine in their beliefs. You've got some serious insanity in this community, own up to it.
People upvote guys like tttt0tttt and bumblingmumbling who actually believe that Jews control the entire world and aren't allowed to be criticized, despite the fact that they spend their entire day criticizing Jews. They're very popular posters on this subreddit. But they say crazy things. Who are you to decide if they're 'shills' or nutbags? Why is it that assumed that anyone who says something crazy must ACTUALLY be lying, rather than, you know, crazy?
0 syuk 2012-07-29
you just have to maintain a filter about what is obvious crap and what is interesting and make up your own mind about the things that fall inbetween.
What i find interesting is seeing a post make its way from here to /r/worldnews eventually.
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2 _r00t_ 2012-07-29
I'd say there's a good chance people here recognise Jones' kosher conspiracy horse shite for what it is.
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1 _r00t_ 2012-07-29
It wasn't my intention to convince you of anything. You're an Alex Jones supporter, a lost cause as far as I'm concerned.
35 vonnegutsdoodle 2012-07-29
i've been operating under the assumption that r/conspiracy was satire...
15 SutekhRising 2012-07-29
Oh if only...
1 Johnofthewest 2012-07-29
The moment the penny dropped must of been beautiful.
-3 aletoledo 2012-07-29
I don't believe in everything, but I believe a lot of what is here.
29 ImJulianAssange 2012-07-29
What else is "new"?
8 [deleted] 2012-07-29
is called disinformation, and they admit to it too. but we have to look past it and connect the dots
12 FTZ 2012-07-29
I used to love connect the dots when I were a kid, but at least I got a silly picture instead of a batshit crazy conspiracy theory..
1 tripsick 2012-07-29
best part is when the disinfo is passed as truth by the nuts.
i have never laughed so hard in my life especially when someone says they have proof.
3 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
Here's the proof of people doing just that.
16 Ironyz 2012-07-29
The pic posted there is clearly pointing out that the original pic is bullshit.
0 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
...
What?
He's trolling /r/conspiracy with bullshit. Did you not see him try to gloat in that post?
8 Ironyz 2012-07-29
I saw him being a dickwad, I did not see him posting bullshit to try and make it seem as if conspiracy theorists are crazy ass muthafuckers. The post that the OP in that thread had made in /r/conspiracy was pointing out that perspective in the photo was different and that noses flare. It was presented in an ungentlemanly way, but that does not change the fact that he was posting a refutation of a stupid theory, and not presenting one to discredit the community.
-5 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
No but, it's proof that he isn't the first to try. There's probably more if we were to digg around. :)
5 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Trolling != black ops disinfo. There are many people on reddit that love to fuck with /r/conspiracy because it's funny. That doesn't mean that there's some government plan to discredit a subreddit of only 70K readers.
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2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
They're not lying to you per se, they're just messing with you because you're so fun to fuck with. They just want to get a reaction out of you to see you go on some half baked rant out lizard people or the NWO. Because then we get these posts and people laugh, because you're so far down the rabbit hole you think the government is paying people to post on your shitty subreddit.
This post is a perfect example of why people mess with /r/conspiracy. It's like playing games with a mentally ill homeless person. Fucked up, but funny.
0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
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2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Except you just did! That's the hilarious part, you don't realize how big of a joke this is. You take these invisible internet points so fucking seriously people can't help but mess with you.
0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
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2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Please, enlighten me, oh benevolent genius.
EDIT: Oh, you deleted your fucking retard post. You're the real hypocrite here.
0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
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2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
lol you keep deleting them, fuck off you hypocritical cunt. If you can't stand by your words don't open your mouth you festering imbecile.
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0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Your fucking posts you bleeding retard. You'r deleting them, as you post them, yet you accuse others of hypocrisy. Go away you stupid troll.
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0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Bad troll is bad, they're obviously deleted, go away.
-2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
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0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
You're one of the worst trolls I've ever seen.
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0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Shut up you down syndrome moron.
0 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
Bro, chillax. I have no idea why you're ranting at me over nothing. My comments are normal and I think you need to go see a doctor since you're seeing things.
2 filmfiend999 2012-07-29
and "interesting"?
-18 OWNtheNWO 2012-07-29
Look below this comment, all the vicious attacks on Alex are troll accounts or COINTELPRO.
30 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
Uh, no.
Alex Jones has a history of lying to people and you don't have to go far back to see where he's lying...
Take the Y2K for example where he said the Russians were invading us and going overboard with his rhetoric...
If anything Alex Jones is Project Mockingbird and William Cooper was right about him.
19 Notemy 2012-07-29
Alex Jones is working three fronts:
Selling gold. Ted Anderson sells gold in his show and owns gcn radio network. He is not helping people prepare for a market collapse because gold is not going to be worth anything after the economy plunges.
The thing he does best is he makes himself and others that believe in him look like a fool. He loses his cool all the time and acts like a lunatic especially when his information gets too close to the truth. He does a shitty job at backing his claims. All in all he makes it very hard for the people that believe him to talk to others about these very important topics without sounding like a 'conspiracy nut'.
I was fooled by him myself for a while until I realized that he was simply playing at my emotions without educating me about the real problem or what to do about it. He himself IS cointelpro, he IS project mockingbird, he IS part of the problem.
2 workworkwort 2012-07-29
Interesting, is there an alternative to his show? He usually has a decent daily news show that covers stuff nobody else does.
I've been listening to Cooper, he's pretty good, but dead, no new coverage.
3 [deleted] 2012-07-29
James Corbett
Sibel Edmunds
Ryan Dawson
Michael Rivero
Chris Duane
2 postgygaxian 2012-07-29
www.rense.com
Jeff Rense
Still reporting after all these years...
2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Jeff's hair is fantastic.
1 workworkwort 2012-07-29
Thank you X4!
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
No problem.
I left out Chris Duane, so I added a link to my previous comment.
1 drunkenshrew 2012-07-29
Except Duane, whom I have never heard before, I like to listen to all the people you have listed.
Here are some additional podcasts which you might like:
Guns & Butter Guns and Butter (once a week 1hour, mostly geopolitics or conspiracy-related) Usually the host Bonny Faulkner interviews a guest, but sometimes lectures or documentaries are broadcast.
Unwelcome Guests Unwelcome Guests (once a week 2 hours, interviews and lectures on various topics) A collective presents a mixture of interviews, readings, lectures and documentaries. Usually the episodes are issue-specific, but sometimes the host reads from a book in more than one episode.
BlackOpRadio - mostly about JFK Usually the host Len Osanic interviews one or more guests on his show. Jim DiEugenio acts as co-host and answers JFK-questions from the audience. He also presents new research in the JFK-community.
The Scott Horton Show Scott Horton sometimes likes to bash conspiracy theorists and I am no fan of his libertarian philosophy, but he has lots of interesting guests and I think he is a very good interviewer
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Cheers.
3 BodyMassageMachineGo 2012-07-29
Have a go at NoAgenda too.
2 Notemy 2012-07-29
Maybe a better question would be: "what do you want to know?"
If it's simply "what's going on today" then decide "where". Locally? Nationwide? Wordly? Does it really apply to you? Do you need to know?
To be honest, I hardly watch or read the news. The stuff I really need to know will get to me when it needs to. There are a lot of topics that I research every day and every day is different. When I research a topic, I spend as much time on it as needed until there are no more questions left. If I can't find the answer to something, I will carry it around for a while (sometimes years) and eventually there will always be an answer.
After doing your own research for a while you will get a nose for the truth and you won't need someone else to tell you what you need to know.
2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
See, that conspiracy in itself, sounds a lot like the OP's problem with r/conspiracy. It's much more likely that Alex Jones is just a paranoid schizophrenic, as many hard core conspiracy theorists are.
To say he is controlled opposition is fucking moronic, but hilarious to read as someone who laughs at conspiracy theorists.
3 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Very well put I think Alex Jones was brought in to distract people from the heavy truth that William Cooper was laying down. First district and ultimately replace. That's why Jones claims to have predicted 911, he didn't Bill * the original gangster* Cooper called that one.
7 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
Exactly. If Alex Jones was even a threat to the establishment then he would have ended up dead like cooper. Which is why I question most of these mainstream conspiracy theorists that think they have all the truth. Oh and did you know that Bill Clinton once called Cooper one of the most dangerous radio casters in the US? ;)
0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
More importantly alex jones isnt organizing a god damn thing he just gets people scared and himself worked up. Wild bill cooper was a big player in , educating and preparing patriots and various militia movements. rest in peace wild bill
-1 Weltall82 2012-07-29
i agree. aj shouldn't be so bulletproof.
he acts funny when folks mention zionism. he is the high profile mouthpiece of the truth movement. it's too weird and his influence is too large for it to remain unconsidered. a lot of what he claims is well researched, and is even true at times, but a standard method of information management is to reveal almost all of the truth of an idea, enough to be observably worthy of trust, yet concealing or omitting or distorting a crucial fact. this effect, to me, seems most useful when occluding the ultimate head of a cryptocratic power structure, or a conspiracy that is becoming unraveled, a la mob history. IMO.
-1 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
Well said and for the record AJ himself has said that he supports Zionism.
0 Weltall82 2012-07-29
WOW he looks younger. and thinner.
2 danxmason 2012-07-29
He also has a history of exposing the truth. He was the only one on the planet to provide proof of Bohemian Grove and Bilderberg. You don't have to go far back to see where he's exposing rotten corruption.
2 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
The Bohemian Grove thing was pretty much setup from the beginning. He didn't get all the juicy details we needed to understand this "ritual" that these people were doing.
Alex Jones pretty much broke the story of the Bohemian Grove and mentions the huge statue of the owl there but doesn't mention the statue of Saint John of Nepomuk who is the Official Patron Saint of the Bohemian Grove.
Again on Bilderberg, I don't think he's really giving us all the details we need on what really goes on.
1 Weltall82 2012-07-29
interesting link. but they aren't worshiping the owl, either. and neither moloch nor the saint had an owl. Minerva did. regardless, that was good to learn.
-1 Notemy 2012-07-29
True but these are a few things he keeps hammering on without getting into the details. Bilderberg this, bilderberg that. Listening to Alex will make you think they are 80% of the whole problem and own almost the whole world. Exposing Bohemian grove was nice but because of his reputation, almost nobody believes it. Do you really believe they would 'mock' human sacrifice? That's what they do at the county fair, you don't need a secret grove for that.
-1 Weltall82 2012-07-29
aaand this is why i'm not convinced he is a shill. on the other hand, there could possibly be reasons why the elite would want such facts to be 'leaked.' and on the other hand.. and on the other hand..
4 jimmyb207 2012-07-29
I listen to Alex Jones for seven. freaking. years. before I started to notice that it was the things he was NOT saying that caught my attention. He lies. Alot. He's a major gate keeper for Israel on the 9/11 front. His mantra "9/11 is an inside job" distracts away from Israel and focuses solely on US government. I've completely stopped listening to his radio show and I haven't been to his web site in close to three years now.
Alex Jones angry behavior reveals his true Zionist nature.check this out at 2:00 AJ loses his shit bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDiqfFJP6ds&feature=related
2 workworkwort 2012-07-29
Who do you listen to now? I'm about to drop Jones.
2 jimmyb207 2012-07-29
Ya know, that's a good question. I've listened to a few people who have radio shows like Jack Blood, Christopher Bollyn, Kevin Barret and others ...they're OK...and interesting at best. My search for a "radio" show pretty much stopped. I gave up. I have found out of all of the so called truthers, Alan Sabrosky is by far the ballsiest and most qualified of them all to tell what actually took place on 9/11 from a geopolitical standpoint (my interest). He has many writings on the subject as well as interviews.
1 tripsick 2012-07-29
AJ is the biggest Disinfo agent of them all.. Please list his correct and incorrect predictions/warnings that have come to light.
lol Building 7, Holograms, and NanoThermite... all that shit sounds just as crazy as anything we posted to make fun of people.
0 captdimitri 2012-07-29
Why doesn't anybody just decide to figure it out once and for all, and conduct thorough independent surveillance on the guy? If those fuckers can do it, why can't we?
SURELY there's someone in our movement that would fund for a small group of people to bug the hell out of his house, track every communication, and otherwise try and find some kind of definitive evidence that can blow up on the internet?
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
http://www.alexjonesmachine.com/betlev.htm
2 so_many_things 2012-07-29
um, reverse message clips? i have a far easier time accepting that ethnicity doesn't matter than aj speaks backwards to your unconscious.
talking about the lawyer having shares in the federal reserve, or "treetops," or the bank of isreal labeled as 6242% - is that a lot? i can't really follow whats going on in the link provided as proof. this pages whole theory relies on his lawyer owning stock in a the bank. does that really prove anything?
i honestly want to know if my attention is being misdirected by jones. most information claiming so, of the handful of sources i have found, is grasping at straws. (though admittedly this may be a piece should the puzzle exist)
does anybody have something at least a tiny bit more difficult to explain away? i honestly think i am judging this information without a sheeples normalcy bias perspective but is there something i'm missing? please help
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
When someone intentionally omits the truth, they become suspect.
It is a fact that the Israel, along with a cabal of Zionist and Neocon collaborators within the US, plotted and carried out the attacks on September 11th.
Any amount of objective research regarding these claims proves this beyond a reasonable doubt. Jones only serves to distract from this truth.
He is an agitator, a self proclaimed Zionist, and a shill.
As for the link, I can't vouch for it's authenticity. Especially the reverse speak bullshit.
0 Notemy 2012-07-29
You would have to be a pretty good hacker to get untraceable access to information like that...
Or get in touch with him personally to physically place a bug on him. Either way it will be risky and not something you want to do with a group of people you don't know.
0 greenw40 2012-07-29
Seeing as you've been mass posting one shitty article after another, maybe you're a troll account.
-3 OWNtheNWO 2012-07-29
Notice it's the same usual suspects who have their anti-alex circle jerks. He's just another source of information that can be gleaned like any other.
If you are relying on anyone but yourself and your wits, you are a fool.
2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdK1WZX2rx4&feature=player_embedded
-1 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
Ive been meaning to ask you this but do you work for infowars by any chance?
I like your posts but they kinda remind me of something coming from infowars sometimes. :/
2 OWNtheNWO 2012-07-29
durrrr so fucking cleverrr
0 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
Hey, It was a serious question since you have a lot of people coming in from different websites and posting their stuff.
It's cool if your not either way I still like your posts.
25 spiffyP 2012-07-29
I tune into /r/conspiracy a lot and can confirm you guys have already been doing a pretty good job of it yourselves
1 Bhauk 2012-07-29
examples?
19 spiffyP 2012-07-29
How about the theory that the Aurora shooting was actually the TSA so they can take over malls and theaters? And yall ate it up. I'm not subscribed to /r/funny anymore because I get enough comedy here.
2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
I don't think anyone has blamed the TSA for the shootings here.
0 Weltall82 2012-07-29
It doesn't matter to these guys. They just lump words together for backslapping upvotes from each other.
-3 aletoledo 2012-07-29
I wouldn't put it past the government to use it as a false flag. I agree that I hadn't heard the TSA specifically mentioned, but I think he was just using that off the cuff to refer to the government in a vague sense.
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2 treebright 2012-07-29
In addition to your point: I don't downvote submissions in /r/conspiracy unless I think the submitter is insincere. There needs to be a place where suspicious but unproven (or at least unacknowledged) wrongdoing can be discussed. Even if strongly convincing evidence is not yet available. The cost of this is that some low quality submissions will linger, but that's okay.
1 spiffyP 2012-07-29
LOL, real?
11 Bongpig 2012-07-29
Lets take a look at the front page shall we...I'm sure there are some gems there right now.
-2 aletoledo 2012-07-29
Whats wrong with these? I agree that UFOs are wierd, but I assumed this was what the OP was referring to about stooges planting stories (the comments in the thread seem to to agree that it was a blimp). The others seem like valid discussions to have.
24 [deleted] 2012-07-29
One man's crazy is another man's truth.
But don't mind me, I'm paid off by Saracen International.
5 minno 2012-07-29
Wow, you too? I'll have to look for you at the next shill get-together.
6 [deleted] 2012-07-29
As payed shills, both of these men have been put to death for exposing the truth.
This message will self destruct only moments after you never look at it again.
3 minno 2012-07-29
I'm glad you went with the usual "fake assassination and then vacation to somewhere that somehow only tabloid photographers can go" option.
5 Pixel64 2012-07-29
Definitely, we've been lightening up around here in the last few years. Next week for movie night we're watching some light comedies, National Treasure, The Pacifier, Loose Change. Join us if you can.
1 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
This. So many people on r/conspiracy like to pretend that everyone who believes a crazier conspiracy theory than they do is a paid shill.
19 klmd 2012-07-29
One more time for those who missed it. The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies: http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
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7 those_draculas 2012-07-29
spoken like a true forum spy;)
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1 Weltall82 2012-07-29
I so love it when someone says Tavistock.
0 FTZ 2012-07-29
Don't worry, I'll ridicule this tavistock nonsense just for the sake of it being, well.. Ridiculous!
15 Stubine 2012-07-29
They aren't stooges. Most of you are indeed that crazy/stupid...
14 [deleted] 2012-07-29
The issue is you guys absolutely buy into the bullshit conspiracies.
8 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Right, and this is the perfect example.
The government is making us look like crazy fucks by using complex disinformation techniques on a relatively obscure website on a small subreddit!
Ironically, this post is making everyone looks like crazy fucks.
A simpler explanation is that conspiracy theories generally attract crazy fucks because they require a high level of faith and a low level of proof.
The government doesn't need to discredit conspiracy theorists, they do it to themselves. This subreddit is proof of that.
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conspiracies
0 MySperm 2012-07-29
tbh I believe that 9/11 and 7/7 were inside jobs in order to gain momentum from the public that we needed to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, but I don't believe in "the illuminati" that everyone bashes on about, I believe that yes there are people in the background that control these kinds of things but "the illuminati" is just a retarded name given to them which makes people think we're crazy because of just that.
but I do agree people buy into absolutely anything... like some are so fucking stupid they believe that some people are lizard, like come on...how fucking stupid does someone have to be to believe that shit...
5 [deleted] 2012-07-29
About as dumb as people who believe that /r/conspiracy is infested with NWO stooges and not just trolls or people that legitimately disagree ;)
That's the thing about conspiracies, they're not fact based but faith based. So really it's all up to how much you want to believe. You can believe I'm just a skeptic, or you can believe I'm some sort of reptoid neozionist scumbag. It's not up to me, it's up to you. How badly do you want to validate your worldview? How badly do you want to believe?
1 MySperm 2012-07-29
here, taking a quote and adding to the quote, I never said anything about NWO so don't make it out as if I did...
3 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Easy there bud my point still applies. Stooges are stooges and you obviously believe there's a conspiracy to dilute this sub.
Here's the thing: conspiracies are all faith based, so in the end it's what you believe that shapes your reality, not facts.
Like I said previously, you can believe I'm just a skeptic, or you can believe I'm some sort of reptoid neozionist scumbag. It's not up to me, it's up to you. How badly do you want to validate your worldview?
Do you see how believing in stooges flooding a obscure sub and an off beat website is just as dumb as believing in aliens and reptoids? It's all faith based, and in the end that's moronic.
-3 Weltall82 2012-07-29
you really are quite
annoyingawful. i mean, seriously.*after looking over your history, i edited for clarity. it's a smorgasbord of hatefulness. i'm impressed.
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Precisely what a paid stooge would say!
See what I did there?
0 Weltall82 2012-07-29
rational people don't act like you. jerks do. nothing more to it.
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
If you're looking for rational what are you doing in this sub?
Seriously, on the very same front page of this subreddit there's an article talking about how North Korean flooding was caused by HAARP.
The delicious irony of conspiracy theories is that they're faith based but masquerade as fact based.
1 Weltall82 2012-07-29
keep fishin.
0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Great comeback bro, certainly refuted my point. With "rational" people like yourself, how come /r/conspiracy isn't the best sub around? With logic like that, how can you lose?
0 Weltall82 2012-07-29
IMO, the only people who say the creepy line
are shills or jerks. personally, if it came down to it, I'd prefer to be paid, rather than simply inherently display a jerk personality for free.
0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
LOL, please, tell me again how the US govt pays me to spread disinformation on your pathetic subreddit?
No, the only people who say that are rational human beings that understand the true nature of conspiracy theories: they're faith based, not fact based.
Thus it's ironic that all sorts of "evidence" is produced which doesn't matter because it's more akin to a religion, not a science.
Man, you're fucking stupid, no wonder you believe in all this bullshit. Tell me again how North korean floods are caused by HAARP?
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
LOL
okay, please tell me again how the reptoids are infiltrating this pathetic sub?
12 bumblingmumbling 2012-07-29
It is a Black Propaganda technique. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda
2 mindbleach 2012-07-29
Upvoting you feels dirty.
10 viscountprawn 2012-07-29
There are a lot of legit crazy people on the internet, and they gravitate toward communities that are more accepting of alternative views. Every site has some. Don't be so quick to dismiss all of them as disinfo agents - I think there are at least as many that truly believe what they're saying.
10 Deacon 2012-07-29
I really enjoyed "aliens destroyed the WTC." Laughed my ass off at that one.
8 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Is this viral marketing for that terrible 3 Stooges movie?
2 Stevo182 2012-07-29
That movie was actually pretty hilarious and true to the nature of the old show.
3 SutekhRising 2012-07-29
Sarcasm, right?
4 Stevo182 2012-07-29
No, I actually liked it. "Hey guys, let's downvote him because he like something!"
Never change r/conspiracy.
5 [deleted] 2012-07-29
FTFY
3 TheRealRandySavage 2012-07-29
Especially the bit with Snooki.
5 GueroCabron 2012-07-29
You ever notice how the Chupacabra people are usually clumped into the Aliens people?
They have connected all conspiracies together, then they blow one or two WAY out of proportion and it takes the whole thing down.
1 puppymeat 2012-07-29
The lack of irony and self awareness... IT BURNS!
5 Polite_Werewolf 2012-07-29
Well, there is a simpler explanation...
4 DOUBLEFUCKMonsanto 2012-07-29
Had a conversation with one yesterday. Username LOL_Aids.
He told me the patriot act was great, 911 had been debunked and that he used to be a conspiracy theorist but then saw the light of official accounts.
3 bonked_or_maybe_not 2012-07-29
That's kind of the opposite of what the OP is talking about.
I notice a lot more people who suddenly are posting things like "My Grandfather Farted - It's a Government Conspiracy!"
4 DOUBLEFUCKMonsanto 2012-07-29
No, he was acknowledging some conspiracies about Dick Cheney or something, but he was doing his best to paint all others as easily debunked and stupid. He was pretending to come from the perspective of someone older and wiser who had given up conspiracy theorizing as if it was some phase people grow out of, like listening to boy bands or something.
0 bonked_or_maybe_not 2012-07-29
Still basically the opposite of the OPs point.
2 BananaPeelSlippers 2012-07-29
i think what hes saying is that the poster was alluding to the fact that he didnt believe in that stuff anymore because he was grown up now, thus if you believe in it you are immature or naive... very subtle
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
You don't forget what you've heard once you realise things aren't what they seem. It's like knowing the news is constantly spinning and lying and then sitting in front of the TV and taking it as gospel.
-1 DOUBLEFUCKMonsanto 2012-07-29
can't tell if you're stupid, or one of them.
1 bonked_or_maybe_not 2012-07-29
OP is saying "Anyone notice a lot of people wearing blue shirts around here lately?"
You are saying "Yeah, I saw a guy in a green one."
You are referring to two separate types of comments. Thanks for calling me stupid for trying to enlighten you to the difference between what you are discussing and what the OP is without dismissing you outright.
0 greenw40 2012-07-29
That was probably just some stupid kid though.
4 CarlSagansHaircut 2012-07-29
This is how I view Mark Dice, Alex Jones and David Icke followers.
-4 DocHopper 2012-07-29
Stock response from one of those idiots...Anything brought up that isn't exactly what the mainstream media is reporting, some tool starts screaming "Alex Jones!" or "Ron Paul!"
Pathetic.
3 [deleted] 2012-07-29
lol... haters gon hate
2 grandmacaesar 2012-07-29
Yeah, we should all believe the mainstream media.
They've sworn allegiance to some god and some country, and they would never lie to we the people. [cough]
Now...where's the button for the sarcasm font.
4 SoLongSidekick 2012-07-29
/r/GameOfTrolls , now /r/GameOfTrolls2
4 asciicat 2012-07-29
Yes. But we can also call this a conspiracy...
-2 MySperm 2012-07-29
a conspiracy inside a conspiracy? conspiception
-2 ISisRAEL 2012-07-29
oh, I see you what you did there... Well done, well done.
4 Weltall82 2012-07-29
Whaddya mean folks be trained to infiltrate da webz?
3 SutekhRising 2012-07-29
This is the bread and butter of nutjobs like Alex Jones: a corn kernel of truth in a gigantic toilet bowl of shit.
3 ckelly323 2012-07-29
Keep calling 'em out.
3 pork2001 2012-07-29
Paul Revere was a conspiracy theorist.
3 inkandpaperguy 2012-07-29
This occurrence is termed "contaminating the well" and I am sure many of our sub's shills spend countless hours in this endevour.
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Did it ever occur to you that people that disagree with you might just have different opinions and probably aren't in the payroll of the US govt? I've never understood the idea that because someone posts something that's contrary to your belief system it automatically makes them some sort of NWO stooge.
A far more likely scenario is that they actually disagree with you. You're not getting down votes because of some neo zionist conspiracy.
Posts like this further discredit a subset of the population that already has legitimacy issues. If you want people to believe what you believe, dismissing everyone as "shills" is probably a bad tactic.
0 Weltall82 2012-07-29
This is, by the way, the single most common disagreement received when anyone starts talking about shills, and is basically a conjuring of the rational spirit, which also conveniently is often used to set up an additional opportunity to discredit or insult the larger 'group,' defined here as conspiracy theorists. Which I see you also took advantage of.
Well done.
Posts like this do no benefit for anyone by generalizing folks and their social experience levels. Using instances of socially inept 'conversations' to attack the broad field of conspiracy theories is crap.
-3 inkandpaperguy 2012-07-29
Have you considered decaf? It make help w/ the "jumping down everyone's throat" thing you got going on.`I never dismissed everyone as shills ... you should try working on your comprehension or re-read comments before you pounce.
2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
The implications of your statement was the belief that this sub has some sort of stooge conspiracy to repress legitimate opinions. I can hardly say I agree, but in the end how badly do you want to believe? Am I just a skeptic, or some sort of paid shill? It's up to you, not me. Anything I say will confirm your previously held beliefs.
1 inkandpaperguy 2012-07-29
I don't think you are a shill ... I have no evidence of that. I do think you are an asshole ... there is plenty of evidence here to support that claim.
3 carpediem3627 2012-07-29
Man, you guys are suspicious of other crazy people? Is there no honor among crazies?
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
TRUST NO ONE hurr derp
2 MathW 2012-07-29
Can you really tell the difference?
5 wihardy 2012-07-29
Agreed, what makes the fake conspiracies fake and the supposed true ones so? They are all based on crap hearsay and bad logic mixed with sensationalism and skewed facts. So what makes one lie better than another?
1 Toastlove 2012-07-29
Dont forget plain old stupidity!
2 live52 2012-07-29
It's a usual intelligence agency technique: create different versions of a situation so that all could be equally plausible or make up some absurd nonsense that as you said, makes anything on the reddit look ridiculous by association.
Then there's the down vote-any-opinion-that-disagrees-with-your political, military-or-economic-policy technique. Get the bot to download it to zero or one and keep it right there.
2 rhinorocan 2012-07-29
It's everywhere misdirection and swamping a subject with misinformation is now and always has been the best way to hide something.
2 wafflesnsyrup 2012-07-29
whoa, meta as fuck
2 mindbleach 2012-07-29
I think it's far more likely that of all the people claiming to see hidden truths given away by minute details, some of them are just nutjobs chasing shadows.
If you ask me, most of them are just nutjobs chasing shadows.
2 wateristasty 2012-07-29
I'm disinfo.
2 Necronomiconomics 2012-07-29
Fake conspiracy theorists all began with Mark Lane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lane_(author)
Mark Lane wrote the very first book questioning the JFK assassination. He was a "leader" in advocating a JFK conspiracy for years.
Years later: Lane was an attorney for James Earl Ray. He spread disinformation throughout the House Special Committee on Assassinations.
And then: Lane took a key witness in the MLK assassination case to Jonestown (yes, that Jonestown), so that key witness was unable to testify before Congress.
And then: Lane was paid $6000/month by Jim Jones & the Peoples' Temple to accuse the CIA of attacking Jonestown, when in fact Jim Jones had circumstantial ties to the CIA.
And then: The Jonestown Massacre killed the key witness, interrupted the House Special Committee on Assassinations (one day after Atlanta FBI agents testified that the Atlanta FBI office celebrated MLK's assassination). But Lane miraculously survived.
To this day, Mark Lane is respected by many ignorant JFK assassination activists. And he continues to spread disinformation.
2 mdnrnr 2012-07-29
I think you'll find the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion came way before that.
2 tripsick 2012-07-29
lol my bullshit is better than your bullshit as im a professional bullshiter and i can tell.
2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
This was posted the other day and it seems very relevant. It is a long read, but skim through and you will see clear patterns emerging on social media sites: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
2 sahlos 2012-07-29
Like the guy from aincient aliens
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1 MySperm 2012-07-29
seriously THIS comment made me laugh, but no it's untrue lmao
1 iammonster 2012-07-29
Can you give some specific examples? I haven't noticed too much, but I have noticed that I get treated like one when I bring up certain issues.
1 methcamp 2012-07-29
remember when black people thought they were gonna get a bunch of free shit just because Obama was elected?
0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
I got banned from a forum for suggesting Obama was a bought off president. I was met with all sorts of racist accusations but I went back about six months later and laughed at all of them.
1 FemaCampDirector 2012-07-29
What forum?
1 mykroman 2012-07-29
Yes. And some of them are on Reddit.
1 those_draculas 2012-07-29
There's money in selling the outrageous, why do you think Alex Jones has been able to have the career he has or the National Inquirer still exists? It's two fronts:
Alex Jones sells fear, his sponsors (mainly gold-sellers, army surplus, and survival gear) benefit financially from the fearful. The more fear he can pedal the better for his bottom line.
On the other hand, people like those behind Sorcha Faal or the National Inquirer sell the outrageous as entertainment, they make sensational claims involving all sorts of dis/mis-information to grab the readers attention and get them to buy their books/magazines.
On top of all that you have the old conspiracy theorists/skeptic mantra of "question everything" people attracted to this kind of stuff want to believe there's more happening that what seems apparent, thus the outrageous is given equal voice as the possible or plausible.
In short it shouldn't surprise anyone that enjoys this kind of stuff(me included) that there are people who willfully act as megaphones for the Jones' and Faals of the world in hope that the sensational bullshit they push has some basis in reality.
1 loyalone 2012-07-29
Yes. But enough diligence and clear heads should weed the wheat from the chaff.
1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Yes, Alex Jones for one.
0 yellowsnow2 2012-07-29
There has been a lot of fake conspiracies to generate internet traffic revenue lately, especially with the batman shooting..... But there are those who want to distract you from finding the truth of things by creating false conspiracies to trick you and make you waste your time.
3 SutekhRising 2012-07-29
Which ones are the "false conspiracies" and which ones are the "real conspiracies?"
0 Toastlove 2012-07-29
Both
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8 synthion 2012-07-29
It helps to not be an Anti-Semite. I'm an anti-zionist too, but fella, you racist.
-6 PrimaryPerception 2012-07-29
Anti-Gentilism is a far more serious problem.
Why aren't you concerned about that?
-8 [deleted] 2012-07-29
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2 mindbleach 2012-07-29
Just because someone's allowed to do something doesn't mean they aren't an asshole for doing it.
1 greenw40 2012-07-29
Coming from someone who has posted such gems as "Green Lantern Gay - The Queerification of America", "Spontaneous Human Combustion", "Race and Intelligence - [9:48]".
0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
sure did
0 nutstomper 2012-07-29
Honestly a lot of what gets posted on here make it look crazy. Anything that has to do with reptilian aliens and shit like that is so far from say, 9/11 conspiracies or blatent false info on the wars that are going on. I feel like there should be another subreddit for off the wall alien/2012/zombies it whatever other crazy shit gets posted.
2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
And herein lies the real problem with /r/conspiracy. I can post pretty much any crazy nonsense, link it to a few batshit insane pages / blogs, and it's considered legitimate and goes unquestioned. I could post that the Earth is flat over here and get upvotes.
0 JohnnySassamone 2012-07-29
See also: Astro-turfing.
0 FemaCampDirector 2012-07-29
Like this?
"Suit up, ifmonaughts, and ventue forth on the flaming rockets of inquiry into the starry, limitless void of speculation. Did Oswald shoot Kennedy? Did Nixon shoot Kennedy? Did one of the Kennedies shoot Kennedy? Is Kennedy still alive? Is his brain perserved in a glass vessel at the Federal Reserve? Find out here. Sign up for the war against the status quo. Free your minds, all you zombies. Join us, join us, join us."
0 [deleted] 2012-07-29
This was posted the other day and it seems very relevant. It is a long read, but skim through and you will see clear patterns emerging on social media sites: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
0 treebright 2012-07-29
FYI
0 mothereffingteresa 2012-07-29
Very few people are stupid enough to be neo-Nazis. The apperent ones posting are all trying to do thread-poisoning.
1 mindbleach 2012-07-29
You have far too much faith in human intelligence. Reddit has ~50M unique users on any given day. 10% of them have accounts. 10% of them post. I have no problem believing that a few dozen people out of a half-million are legitimately racist idiots.
1 mothereffingteresa 2012-07-29
There are specific reasons, like low intelligence, that make it more likely that the "neo nazis" are phake thread poisoner than the genuine article. Shouting "nigger!" in an anti-racist thread is suspect behavior.
0 costabius 2012-07-29
Did you ever notice that a lot of conspiracy theories are bat-shit-pants-on-head-crazy? Just because they are nuts doesn't necessarily mean they are not sincere...
0 tripsick 2012-07-29
basically figured out how to write conspiracy's by watching the SouthPark that exposes how Family Guy writes their episodes.
It works very well... and Never forget Obama and the Flash Drive
0 tieks0 2012-07-29
"Absolute bullshit" you say? lmfao, the irony.
-1 [deleted] 2012-07-29
Many of those commenting on the recent shooting had new accounts and were saying the same thing: 'thur gonnna tak'arguns!'.
2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
no tsa is gonna put there hands in your pants
-1 Someawe 2012-07-29
... is this supposed to be ironic?
-1 AshKatchumawl 2012-07-29
Yep. I seent it.
-1 D_A_J_T 2012-07-29
My personal thought on conspiracy theory has always been that it can not be proven or disproved. Disproved = false, proven = fact and all other is conspiracy theory.
Just what I thought anyway...
2 grandmacaesar 2012-07-29
?
theories can be proven or disproven. a theory is just an idea that hasn't been shown to be fact yet.
1 D_A_J_T 2012-07-29
But it is still theory because there is not enough evidence one way or the other. Nothing "concrete" as it might be said.
0 BananaPeelSlippers 2012-07-29
so when arguing against religion you call out the same strategy that you employ to argue for conspiracies, nice...
1 D_A_J_T 2012-07-29
I find arguing religion pointless myself but love talking conspiracy theory. One thing I brought up with coworkers is the wiki leaks scandal when it started. Though the evidence released is quite damning for many in power can you prove one way or the other that it was not done to create laws to control internet content?
-1 sewneo 2012-07-29
My god. Do none of you motherfuckers study this shit?
-1 bangsecks 2012-07-29
Examples and specifics?
-1 NomadicScribe 2012-07-29
Hm, yeah. I had my suspicions about "The Secret."
-1 iamnotfromtexas90 2012-07-29
and down the meta rabbit hole we go.
-1 mekon18 2012-07-29
i do that on youtube for lols
-1 BR5497 2012-07-29
It the government undermining us!!!
-1 polimodern 2012-07-29
My only OP link/post on here was intentionally outlandish (I thought). So I'll out myself on here that I am not a conspiracy believer. It is pretty sad, in your guys' worldview it appears that there are two types of people, those who agree with you and then there is the CoIntelPro.
Which, by the way, from the way you guys describe it, would be a horribly boring job that apparently thousands of people are being paid to do. But for suggesting that there is a chance, possibly, maybe are other reasonably minded people who question the validity of your claims I will be labeled as a disinfo agent (because I have constributed so much false information).
-Keep smoking your weed (opiate of the masses)-Polimodern
2 MySperm 2012-07-29
I wouldn't say all of them a "paid to do" by blacklisting conspiracy theorists (though if there is something to hide, I'm sure there has been some sort of thing like that) but honestly it's probably people trolling, that just adds, so realistically you wouldn't need to pay anyone.
which points to you being one of them?, If you do not believe in conspiracies why bother posting if it isn't to make us look like idiots?
and that whole "keep smoking your weed" statement is pretty immature if i'm honest...
1 polimodern 2012-07-29
I bother posting because I believe in trying to reveal how irrational the logic of a lot of /r/conspiracy is. It often lacks a scientific method. It often lacks a nuance for the degrees of certainty in its truth claims. I chose my handle because I believe a preponderance of the communities on the internet have now become isolated absolutist communities. The extent to which people stay and choose to be isolated will determine the level of despair, discontent, and friction within my country.
I don't care to make people look like idiots. I want to engage people where I think they are misled. The Western world thrived on a competition of ideas. Within institutions and academies, ideas could be reasoned, challenged, and studied. Proponents of alternate realities/ viewpoints used to not be villified or demonized. Now you have designed formal epistemological categories for classes of people (Sliders/disinfo agents/politburo whatevers) that make you not have to acknowledge or engage competing truth claims. I.e. if someone denies that they are in one of these categories it proves that they are in the category. The only appropriate self-categorization for someone who disagrees with you apparently is apathy or a resigned nihilism. Which is ironic, because many of the conspiracy arguments is that all of the problems exist because there are so many disinterested, apathetic people.
I believe that we (America mostly) have devolved as a community that cannot engage with people who hold competing views.
the whole 'MySperm' name is pretty immature if i'm honest...
1 Weltall82 2012-07-29
Are you kidding? Is that not what is happening when people call someone a conspiracy theorist?
An honest question: have you considered that there are shills who act like 'conspiracy theorists' to reinforce the 'tard meme? To my mind, both sides of the field are being played, and that is really the only way to do it. Either way, any one of us worth our salt aren't fooled by the hyperbolic nonsense used to criticize us as a lot item.
-1 Weltall82 2012-07-29
This entire post has been overrun by the NoLibs/EPS hate group. All the big names are here. Watch and learn, folks.
3 Weltall82 2012-07-29
r/conspiratard has linked to this on their front page. That's why the hate group is swarming. Prepare for the abuse!
2 Newlyfailedaccount 2012-07-29
No need, the conspiracy people here are abusing and accusing each other already. Just eating popcorn.
-2 iam_sancho2 2012-07-29
David Icke
-2 dannylazer08 2012-07-29
HEY MAN YOUR CRAZY NOT ME MAN YOU ARE
-2 IIoggedintoupvoteyou 2012-07-29
Whats crazy is people don't look at the things that are obvious. This post isn't about any of the theories in particular but it is fairly obvious why people question them.
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14 mdnrnr 2012-07-29
The joos ruined /r/conspiracy!!!eleventyone!
2012, never forget.
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7 mdnrnr 2012-07-29
Actually that's parody.
4 FemaCampDirector 2012-07-29
Backstory please.
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6 mindbleach 2012-07-29
9000sins has also played ignorant when discussing the blatant racism from tttt0tttt and bumblingmumbling.
I appreciate that a conspiracy-themed forum would be hesitant to censor people, but if the front page is constantly full of insane crap than nobody's going to notice if you blow the whistle on something like LIBOR.
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7 mindbleach 2012-07-29
They hardly say a word about Zionists. Mostly they talk about Jews, because they can't or won't recognize the difference.
Yes, they are. I mean besides the obvious insular nature of Judaic culture over millennia of quiet persecution, to the point where recessive traits are a serious problem and the Ashkenazis are studied for their longevity, the sort of white nationalist shitheads who constantly go on about "the Jews" sure as fuck also mean it in a racial sense. The Hebrews or Israelites or Leviites or whatever else you'd like to call them to distinguish the concept from religious Judaica are as genetically and physiologically distinct as any other race.
A semite is a member of a semitic ethnicity, i.e. one associated with a semitic language. It includes most languages and related ethnic groups along the Red Sea and eastern Mediterranean. The fact that the word is adopted from Hebrew is kind of a hint.
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6 mindbleach 2012-07-29
You can't seriously believe there are only five ethnicities for seven billion people. Where do the steppes peoples fit in? How do you pigeonhole light-skinned North Africans? What about native Americans and Inuits? What about Australian aboriginals? What about the Mayans, the Inca, and the Aztecs? Claiming there's no such thing as Hebrews is even more stubbornly ignorant than refusing to acknowledge that "Jews" is not a synonym for "Zionists."
You can, at which point you'd be Jewish (religiously). You can also be born to an Ashkenazi family and convert to Christianity, at which point you'd still be Jewish (ethnically). The word simply does not have the clear-cut and unambiguous meaning you're pretending it has. I don't doubt the idiots you're defending take advantage of this ambiguity in their constant denial of how blatantly bigoted they are.
2 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
diselphiend is one of them. He claims to make distinctions, but his posts have made it clear that all Jews - religious or not - are JEWS, and worthy of hate due to being part of a grand conspiracy from birth. He's just as much an ignorant hatemonger as bumblingmumbling, and to top it off, he's much less coherent.
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3 mindbleach 2012-07-29
When you said "Indians," I thought you meant people from the subcontinent of India. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in light of how obviously distinct they are from "Asians" as in the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. I figured you were forgetful, but smart enough not to lump Gandhi and Mao into the same ethnicity.
Then I guess bumblingmumbling is only insufferably sub-racist.
This is the dumbest argument I've had in months. You might as well claim cats aren't a real family of animals because there are only five kingdoms of life. "Sub-races" are still distinct ethnic groups, whatever you insist on calling them, and the racist motherfuckers who blame them for the downfall of mankind aren't nearly so picky about vocabulary.
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1 RV527 2012-07-29
People like "yourself?" Do you commit crimes? Your posts in this thread gradually reveal more and more about your perverted worldview.
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1 RV527 2012-07-29
Sorry, I didn't realize you get so hung up on semantics. Do you commit violent crimes? There are no "hate crime" laws for non-violent offenses. I hope you enjoyed your irrelevant rant...
2 bucktheduck08 2012-07-29
If you asked an anthropologist from 1905, yes, you might get that answer . Race is a social construct, it doesn't exist. Anthropology 101.
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2 bucktheduck08 2012-07-29
sigh.
Race is a social construct. Meaning that not only is the concept of "race" something that we (as a society) created, but it has changed over time. Citing passports and employment forms as proof of race's existence is circular, and in the United States it is always framed as self-identification, with an understanding it's a construct. "Jew" as you would say, could easily be a race, all it takes is an agreement by enough people. Take a look at the role of race in Brazilian society. When Anthropologists talk about "race", they are either describing the social effects that the concept of race has, or because the actual operational word, population, proves inadequate.
1 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
BUT IT SAYS HERE ON THIS SOCIALLY CONSTRUCTED DOCUMENT (passport) THAT RACE EXISTS! THAT MEANS IT ISN'T A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!
The circular logic in this guy's head drives me nuts.
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3 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
From mindbleach:
Dieselphiend, ladies and gentlemen, arguing that racists must have a good reason for their hatred. No smoke without fire, right? It would be ridiculous to believe that they're simply a bunch of small-minded pricks who inherited ancient prejudices, since nobody has ever been bigoted against other minorities, and therefore the simple fact of their bigotry is its own justification. Genius!
2 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
Because other ethnic minorities weren't blamed for the death of their Lord and Savior for the last 2000 years? Just because people have hated Jews for a LONG TIME doesn't mean there was ever a good reason. The existence of a belief is not proof that the belief is correct. That's circular logic of the kind only a racist or religious fundamentalist would employ.
2 SinkVenice 2012-07-29
Actually no i don't believe you can become a 'jew'. Most Orthodox Jews would noy accept you as a Jew if you are not already semitic.
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0 SinkVenice 2012-07-29
Fair enough. I am glad to expand my knowledge, thanks for link.
1 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
Yeah, this shit about there being "five races" is pseudoscientific bullshit - which, interestingly enough, seems to be your favorite kind of bullshit!
0 MrTulip 2012-07-29
antisemitism (which is not the opposite of semitism btw but has had 'hatred of jews' attached to it from the very beginning of the term) has three main pillars: in chronological order of appearance antiminority/ethnicity, antijudaism and finally pseudoscientic biologistic racism. it's not just a subset of racism, even though you'll encounter that aspect, too, from time to time. like here
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2 MrTulip 2012-07-29
the bolsheviks had an overproportional portion of jews because of the overproportional portion of jews in intellectual circles. communism is no jewish endeavour because the jews in the movement didn't act in their 'function' as ethnic jews but as educated individuals with an attitude who wanted to change the world for the better (which quickly turned into a power struggle with catastrophic consequences). i've yet to see any proof that the jews in the bolshevik movement acted/conspired together as jews to further their own agenda.
and what genocide of the palestinians are you talking about? if israel wanted to eradicate the palestinians the are doing an exceptionally bad job. this casualty list, awful as it reads, puts things a little in perspective. even the percentage of malnourished children in the west bank and in gaza is lower or on par with neighboring countries. so much for israel starving the palestinians.
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2 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
And what about so-called Jews - those of Jewish ancestry - who AREN'T adherents to the Jewish religion? Where do they fit into your narrative? Are all people of Jewish descent assumed to be of the Jewish religion?
Purges don't ask philosophical questions. Hatemongers like you don't go from house to house asking if the family inside are simply descended from Jews, or if they're practicing. Hitler's death squads didn't ask "Do you support Zionism"? before hauling "Jews" off to the gas chambers.
You claim not to be talking about Jews as an ethnicity, but that's all you do. You're a liar, plain and simple, and you spew hate towards an ethnic group, then pretend you're only talking about RELIGIOUS Jews, or Zionists.
I'm neither. I don't support Israel, and I don't practice Judaism, yet somehow, I'm always lumped in with "THE JEWS". If that's not proof that you people are just trying to pass your racism off as righteous anger over a creed (Zionism or Judaism), I don't know what is.
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1 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
Schoolyard taunts?
Heads up: when someone takes the time to reply to your bigotry, it doesn't mean you're right. It just means you're an ignorant jerk in need of correction.
0 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
Translation: "I don't have to prove my assertion, I can just claim that my racist ramblings are common knowledge!"
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2 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
Then why do you, and every other anti-semite on r/conspiracy, treat them like one?
You can't have it both ways. Either you need to stop talking about ethnic Jews and referring to them as Zionists, or you need to admit that you're actually referring to all people of Jewish descent, regardless of religious affiliation, when you tell people that "the Jews" are responsible for all the evil in the world.
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10 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
Well, there certainly aren't any Jews stopping you from doing that.
It actually would, since Quakers are generally among the most tolerant, accepting people I've met, and you're incredibly hateful.
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12 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
Stopped reading here. You. You.
I AM NOT AN ISRAELI, SO DO NOT TALK TO ME LIKE I AM!
Is that clear enough for you?
Hilarious. You seem to have forgotten a very, very large list of atrocities.
Crusades, to name one, for Christianity. I could probably list a dozen other wars motivated by Christianity or Islam, the two religions ACTUALLY 'spread by the sword', unlike Judaism.
[Citation needed]
[Citation needed]. If you're talking about THE BIBLE, that shit probably never happened.
No more than Christians. There's ZERO evidence to back this up besides your own bullshit prejudices.
Says you.
Oh, you mean like The Catholic Church still does? You mean like the Muslims in various countries who still take Child brides? You're a massive hypocrite. These two religions do this as well, and they do it on a MUCH more massive scale. Don't you DARE sit there and pretend these are crimes invented by or unique to Judaism, when Child Marriage is sunnah, since the Prophet Muhammed took Aisha as his bride at age 9.
YOU segregate us. You - and I do mean Christian Europe - has driven Jews into ghettos and insular communities for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. YOU struck first. YOU made the Jews hide.
Because there are no groups of white Christians or Muslims who've ever done that. Bullshit.
Every single claim you made about Judaism applies to Christianity and Islam, you've just chosen to ignore it because - wait for it - you're a prejudiced bigot. You sit here and pretend that Islam and Christianity haven't started wars, or caused people to be mistreated, or kept women in a place of subjugation for millennia, or institutionally abused Children on a much larger scale than Judaism, but you're just WRONG. These religions have had far more numerous crimes committed in their names in the last thousand years, and to say otherwise is a complete revision of history.
If you mean Purim, no, you're wrong again. What's being celebrated is survival. There's a joke in my family, that every Jewish holiday has the same story: "they tried to kill us, they didn't, let's eat." That's it. Almost every holiday isn't a celebration of the people God killed for us, but of the fact that people have been TRYING to wipe us off the face of the Earth for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, and yet, here we are, still alive, even if most of us are atheists these days.
When someone tells me that I don't deserve to live because of my birth, regardless of what I believe, that person is a monster. You are a monster, dieselphiend, and your calls for a genocide are disgusting.
7 RV527 2012-07-29
He's projecting his own repulsive attitude onto an entire group of people. There's so much hate inside him, it has to be directed at something. There has to be a reason for why he feels so empty and angry, it can't just be that he's defective in some fundamental way (the assertion that he makes about Jewish people).
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12 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
No, YOU are dieselphiend, and YOU are a hateful bigot.
I'm done with this. Here's the part that you've never understood: the world is made up of individuals. People are not simply defined as the group you choose to represent them; they can't all be fit in neat little boxes like "Jew" or "Non-Jew". Whatever Quakers have or haven't done, your argument wasn't "Quakers are the best religion", it was "Jews are the worst, because they're the only ones who've done [huge list of things that Christianity and Islam have been guilty of]". Stop talking about your ancestors. You don't get to take credit for them, and you don't have to apologize for them, any more than I have to apologize for mine, or take credit for mine.
You didn't try to prove to me that YOU'RE not guilty of the things Jews are guilty of, you tried to prove to me that NO ONE ELSE is guilty of those things. I responded with irrefutable examples that completely shattered your narrative, so you changed your argument, rather than admitting that you were wrong. That's dishonest enough that this will be my last response to you.
What's happening in the HERE and NOW is that you are preaching hate, and engaging in persecution. I don't give a shit if that's not something "Quakers" do, it's something YOU are doing, and nothing in the world can undo that fact. If Quakers don't preach hate, and YOU are preaching hate, then either YOU are not a Quaker, or Quakers CAN be hateful. Those are the options - take your pick.
Also: you seem to think that the problems of Christianity and Islam lie in the distant past. I believe I made it quite clear that this is NOT the case. Militant Islamists are blowing themselves up now. They're taking child-wives now. Catholic priests are engaging in (and covering up for) Pedophilia now. Protestant Christians are harassing (and sometimes assaulting) homosexuals now. These religions - and I know that ultraorthodox Jews are every bit as bad, today - are engaging in these evils in the modern world. Stop pretending that I'm talking about thousands of years ago - I'm not. I made it very clear that your entire speech was nothing but bias, repeatedly turning a blind eye to
Lastly, the fact that you attribute "The holocaust of Russian political dissidents" to Jews or Judaism is ludicrous; it can be attributed to Josef Stalin, and he was certainly no Jew.
What I expect from your reply: The same shit that's been in every other reply of yours - hate, historical revisionism, and excuses for why you're NOT a prejudiced asshole, while at the same time saying incredibly prejudiced things.
I won't be replying to you again on this topic. We may meet again, in some thread in the future, where I see you spreading misinformation without a care in the world as to whether or not some tidbit that fits your narrative is true, and I'll call you on it then. But here, tonight, you attempted to argue that history had played out a certain way, and when I demonstrated that you were completely and utterly wrong, you changed the subject and went on the defensive. I don't debate people who can't accept when they've said something false. Goodnight.
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lol the irony is obviously lost on you
0 XMPPwocky 2012-07-29
http://lesswrong.com/lw/he/knowing_about_biases_can_hurt_people
-1 RV527 2012-07-29
No one knows what you're talking about. He has repeatedly destroyed your generalized statements and your incomplete recollection of both history and current events. You have your head really, really far up your own ass. Listing a bunch of terms that you don't understand won't make your nonsense more valid. It just makes you look like a stubborn pseudo-intellectual.
7 BilderbergAgent 2012-07-29
Even if you think that was done by Mossad, you still can't blame the entirety of the world's Jews for it
That was the Soviets, not the Jews
That was the Soviet's again
Still can't blame the Jews for israel.
Closest thing to being able to blame Jews, but blaming them all is completely idiotic.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Google is bringing me this, which wasn't done by Jews either.
No idea what you mean.
But clearly you have an utter hatred of Jews because you are a bigoted asshole.
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6 themandotcom 2012-07-29
If I could snap my fingers and make you disappear, the world would be better off. Fucking bigoted moron.
5 BilderbergAgent 2012-07-29
You are all kinds of crazy.
5 Yossarian4242 2012-07-29
You're an idiot as well as a bigoted asshole, I see.
1 RV527 2012-07-29
Only a complete fucking loser with no skills to offer would be this immersed in bullshit. You have nothing, which is why you'll spend your life blaming others for your failures and trying to take pride in accomplishments that have nothing to do with you. Virtually everything you write is false. You won't trust sourced Wikipedia, but you'll sure as hell trust any random source that confirms what you want to hear. You are a low, low form of human.
-6 hoyfkd 2012-07-29
You sure seem to have been able to respond to a lot of text beyond "YOU," considering you stopped reading there.
9 RV527 2012-07-29
Wow dude. You are absolutely crazy, and I definitely won't judge all conspiracy theorists by you. You're completely deluded if you believe any of the garbage you just spewed. Anyone who isn't a racist pig like you would stare in utter disbelief at the steaming pile of generalized horse shit that you just dumped into cyberspace.
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6 RV527 2012-07-29
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. You're delusional and mentally deficient.
1 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
Have you been to r/niggers or r/whiterights? They blame Hispanics and blacks just as often as Jews, just in different ways; Jews are described as evil Masterminds, while blacks are described as sub-human beasts. White Supremacists do not solely focus on Jews; antisemites solely focus on Jews.
So are Christianity and Islam. What's your point?
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1 Graped_in_the_mouth 2012-07-29
Yes, in the exact same sense. Both are founded on things that never happened. Judaism is in no way worse that the two evangelical religions that have actually caused wars for the last two thousand years. Get your facts straight.
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2 MrTulip 2012-07-29
no. semite is a term for the speakers of semitic languages, jews and many others included. the term 'anti-semitic' was coined to describe the hatred of jews and was quickly adapted by antisemites to describe themselves (wilhelm marr etc).
3 sakebomb69 2012-07-29
Guilty! :D And oh, the mayhem I caused. I ended up corrupting most of the mods, but soccer was just too clever for me ;)
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2 sakebomb69 2012-07-29
Oh, that's easy. Palestinian blood makes the best matzoh!
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2 sakebomb69 2012-07-29
Too salty :P
1 puppymeat 2012-07-29
Sounds like a conspiracy.
1 FemaCampDirector 2012-07-29
I don't follow this stuff. That's why I asked. Thanks.
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-1 live52 2012-07-29
For you guys everybody, including other Jews, who disagree with you, are anti-semitic.
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-1 FemaCampDirector 2012-07-29
The antisemitic call was a stretch.
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0 Weltall82 2012-07-29
i'm happy to oblige you.
0 FemaCampDirector 2012-07-29
You remind me of this guy:
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/xatms/i_put_this_up_in_rconspiracy_and_it_got_removed/
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0 FemaCampDirector 2012-07-29
First of all I am not the guy that downvoted you and then told you.
Secondly while we may have extremists and antisemites here, it is not the majority.
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, you are acting like him.
Sweeping generalizations, abrasive style and a fuck everyone I know the truth listen to me roar is exactly the same behavior.
I'd say calm down, let your frustration wither and come up with another frame of mind to speak from.
-6 Dr__House 2012-07-29
Yeah, totally. A lot of stooges pretending to be conspiracy theorists here, for sure. They try and tell us that 9/11 was a conspiracy, that jews and or reptillians run the world and that JFK's driver shot him. Damn idiots, stop ruining the movement.
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1 RKBA 2012-07-29
No, Zionists (fanatic Israeli nationalists). Judaism has nothing to do with it.
-2 ISisRAEL 2012-07-29
oh, I see you what you did there... Well done, well done.
7 CowzGoesMoo 2012-07-29
Exactly. If Alex Jones was even a threat to the establishment then he would have ended up dead like cooper. Which is why I question most of these mainstream conspiracy theorists that think they have all the truth. Oh and did you know that Bill Clinton once called Cooper one of the most dangerous radio casters in the US? ;)
4 Notemy 2012-07-29
You are right to believe many of his claims. The sad thing is that he does not provide details for about half of his stories, he rambles on without getting to the point and will never personally expose people. He will always make it out to be a mysterious group of people that are ruling the whole world. Of course this is true, but it does not help to keep saying that without naming these people and the crimes they commit.
0 Weltall82 2012-07-29
i'm happy to oblige you.
0 FemaCampDirector 2012-07-29
You remind me of this guy:
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/xatms/i_put_this_up_in_rconspiracy_and_it_got_removed/
0 FemaCampDirector 2012-07-29
First of all I am not the guy that downvoted you and then told you.
Secondly while we may have extremists and antisemites here, it is not the majority.
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, you are acting like him.
Sweeping generalizations, abrasive style and a fuck everyone I know the truth listen to me roar is exactly the same behavior.
I'd say calm down, let your frustration wither and come up with another frame of mind to speak from.
-6 PrimaryPerception 2012-07-29
Anti-Gentilism is a far more serious problem.
Why aren't you concerned about that?
1 drunkenshrew 2012-07-29
Except Duane, whom I have never heard before, I like to listen to all the people you have listed.
Here are some additional podcasts which you might like:
Guns & Butter Guns and Butter (once a week 1hour, mostly geopolitics or conspiracy-related) Usually the host Bonny Faulkner interviews a guest, but sometimes lectures or documentaries are broadcast.
Unwelcome Guests Unwelcome Guests (once a week 2 hours, interviews and lectures on various topics) A collective presents a mixture of interviews, readings, lectures and documentaries. Usually the episodes are issue-specific, but sometimes the host reads from a book in more than one episode.
BlackOpRadio - mostly about JFK Usually the host Len Osanic interviews one or more guests on his show. Jim DiEugenio acts as co-host and answers JFK-questions from the audience. He also presents new research in the JFK-community.
The Scott Horton Show Scott Horton sometimes likes to bash conspiracy theorists and I am no fan of his libertarian philosophy, but he has lots of interesting guests and I think he is a very good interviewer
7 mdnrnr 2012-07-29
Actually that's parody.
2 [deleted] 2012-07-29
And herein lies the real problem with /r/conspiracy. I can post pretty much any crazy nonsense, link it to a few batshit insane pages / blogs, and it's considered legitimate and goes unquestioned. I could post that the Earth is flat over here and get upvotes.
-3 inkandpaperguy 2012-07-29
Have you considered decaf? It make help w/ the "jumping down everyone's throat" thing you got going on.`I never dismissed everyone as shills ... you should try working on your comprehension or re-read comments before you pounce.
1 Weltall82 2012-07-29
Are you kidding? Is that not what is happening when people call someone a conspiracy theorist?
An honest question: have you considered that there are shills who act like 'conspiracy theorists' to reinforce the 'tard meme? To my mind, both sides of the field are being played, and that is really the only way to do it. Either way, any one of us worth our salt aren't fooled by the hyperbolic nonsense used to criticize us as a lot item.
0 Weltall82 2012-07-29
This is, by the way, the single most common disagreement received when anyone starts talking about shills, and is basically a conjuring of the rational spirit, which also conveniently is often used to set up an additional opportunity to discredit or insult the larger 'group,' defined here as conspiracy theorists. Which I see you also took advantage of.
Well done.
Posts like this do no benefit for anyone by generalizing folks and their social experience levels. Using instances of socially inept 'conversations' to attack the broad field of conspiracy theories is crap.
7 RV527 2012-07-29
He's projecting his own repulsive attitude onto an entire group of people. There's so much hate inside him, it has to be directed at something. There has to be a reason for why he feels so empty and angry, it can't just be that he's defective in some fundamental way (the assertion that he makes about Jewish people).
-6 hoyfkd 2012-07-29
You sure seem to have been able to respond to a lot of text beyond "YOU," considering you stopped reading there.
3 englad 2012-07-29
Anyone who disagrees with you you label a shill.
1 Mahat 2012-07-29
got one right, another half right (as the dude in the first link worked for the oil sands, semi shill protecting his work, advocating on the behalf of shills because they atleast add discussion)
i apologize when i go on the attack and i find myself to be wrong, and did so quite frequently today. Nor do i intend to continue with that attitude, as i didn't really like the experience of trolling so hard.
Atleast i'm trying to dispell misinformation, which i still did even with the oil fracking guy who used an outdated statistic and misrepresented the facts. One and a half out of three ain't bad.
atleast i admited to my mistakes.
1 WeenisWrinkle 2012-07-29
Wait so no one's paying you to argue with the paid shills? You're doing it out of the goodness of your heart? Wow, you're a hero among men.
1 Mahat 2012-07-29
conspiracy has gotten nearly triple the viewers in the course of three years, this to me indicates a shift in the normal train of thought. With such an increase, we have also seen more and more of the old topics that would only fly here being reposted in politics, passing off in world news, and the like.
This ain't no backwater board anymore. It's become vital to the process. It's only natural that the place where truth is hinted at would be selectively targetted, hence again, the topic we are posting in.
The current debate is about the watering down of quality, a ploy at misdirection. A way to turn the populace away from this place. Somebody is afraid of this place. I've seen really shitty posts here lately, as compared to last year when firms just started hiring the shills.
I'm certain this shit hole has plenty.