I am sorry

hahaha. that's perfect.

The scariest part is knowing that everyone else around you will regard you as a mad doom-sayer.

I don't think you mean scary, but rather bizarre or sad. It's bizarre that others don't even care in the slightest about what is happening around us. Sure I can understand that a lot of it we're powerless to affect, but we should still be aware of it. It's like we're all in a zoo and we don't want to recognize that everything around us is fake.

It's absolutely scary in the context of "See Something, Say Something"-style propagandistic advertising.

American society is rather brillaint in that way (at least as far as those in power are concerned). We are self reporting, self policing tattle tales.

Conspiracy is still a very dirty word despite mountains of evidence that the US not only engages in conspiratorial acts on a regular basis, but doesn't even do a great job of covering it up half the time.

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Only if you act like an idiot and ignore facts and make up baseless assumptions and believe them as fact.

Which is what politicians and preachers do and people love politicians and preachers.

Have you ever talked with people?

Your dad is awesome, I wish I could talk to my parents about this stuff.

The scary part is that your dad has been living a lie all this time.

I know.

Foulbastard -

What is that oldest and biggest conspiracy with regard to music?

The government invented rap to promote violence and throw people in jail

co-opted

Now I agree.

probably not the oldest, but a good one.

I have read several books about the music industry circa 1969 and at that point in order to be even signed to a label you had to be in with the gays. Not trying to be a bigot here, just stating facts. I just read David Bowie's ex-wife's autobio and she talked about all of the famous people that were around and how they were either gay or had to suck dick to get signed. People like Elton John, Jagger, Bowie, etc. and that a good portion of them had done satanic rituals as well. There is a notable story: Here is the excerpt from the book right here, can't believe I found it

Today's rap seems more government sponsored than the rap of 20 years ago. In the 90's, rappers were rapping about oppression, today rappers are rapping about having millions, and pissing away those millions on self-indulgence.

Their audience identifies with this (sort of how lower-class identifies with rich Republicans). They hear tales of rags to riches and believe if they continue to work their shitty jobs, maybe someday they'll catch a break and collect their millions as well. Little do they know that our world is ran by family corporations.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/z0gt9/jim_morrison_and_manson_family_connections_to/

Take a look into the tavistock connection to the beatles.

I'm from the south as well. Tennessee. Myself, and a couple of my friends have very open eyes and try to do what we can to show the people around us in our small towns what is actually going on, but are usually just brushed off. Just know that not everyone down south is in the dark. A good portion ONLY care about taxes, gay marriage, and abortion....but those are far from the only issues. We're here....we're just few and far between it seems.

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Holy shit, you mean that multiple in a populated area have had similar experiences? Well fuck me.

All kidding aside, it probably isn't that uncommon. No different than a kid that grows up listening to the same music as their parents and then one days decides to listen to something else entirely.

The worst part is, I told my parents about the illuminati, etc., and they threatened to put me in a mental institute if I didn't "shut up with my insane conspiracist bullshit"

I always find it interesting that no matter how "strange" some conspiracy "theorists" may be, you will find people from all walks of life that have stumbled on to the truth.

The truth is a powerful sobering agent, especially when people can look at cold hard facts to see that truth rather than just be told something.

Thats how I feel when my mom says that. But shes a corporate tool. I guess if you cant beat em join em was her mentality

So, you get all that. And still...

satanism in music

And yet you still got trapped by the oldest and biggest fucking bullshit conspiracy of them all.

Start here

I grew up in a very religious household, and remember watching a religious TV show, where they were demonizing popular music. They played a bunch of different lyrics. Including Alice in Chains, and the line :

"Jesus Christ, deny your maker."

And used this as evidence of how satanic Alice in Chains was.

When I was older I heard the whole song. The next lyrics were :

"He who tries, will be wasted"

I knew right then, who the real deceivers and manipulators were. I dont know if there is a god or not, but i do know one thing, the bible? Jesus? the Koran? The Torah? They're all fucking bullshit. The oldest, most profitable and least scrutinized conspiracy of all time is religion.

Show me the "logical" arguments. And they better be proper logos.

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Except there is satanic messages in pretty much every genre according to the people who believe in satan.

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unless its digital and on military time.....in fact if its broken and digital it may never be right, just blank.

If Jay-Z was a part of a global conspiracy, Nas would already be dead.

Perhaps, but Lady Gaga certainly is an Illuminati shill from what I can see:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/lady-gaga-the-illuminati-puppet/

The only Satanism is music are the Zionists controlling the business!

How is it bulshit when lucifer commanded heavens choir? I say this most definately possible.

WTF are you talking about?

Satanism in music

if you knew anything about satanism you'd know Lucifer was the angel of light and music before he was struck down to hell.

This isn't r/religiousnutjobs

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Stating religious beliefs as fact, and citing them as evidence however, is ridiculous.

Know thy enemy.

And keep an open mind.

it's got nothing to do with being a religious nut job... that's what it says in the bible.

Who the heck says these elites believe in the Bible? Only you do and youre projecting your beliefs, yeah they do use a whole lot of mediums to achieve a lot of heinous things, one of the ways the elites control you is through RELIGION, its been their primary control method for a long damn time.

Oh it must be true then. Well I guess now I should go burn my music collection.

dude, are you completely retarded? I never said it was fact, I was pointing out what it says in the bible because it relates to the satanic influence in music conspiracy. I wasn't trying to point out facts I was giving you the biblical context because you said "WTF are you talking about?" to lucifer commanding heaven's choir. Please tell me you do, no-one is really this retarded.

You stated that the theory wasn't bullshit because Lucifer commanded heaven's choir.

Plain and simple.

Edit: got you mixed up with the chap 2nd in this convo. Don't know why you're so upset with my comment above.

because I thought you were being serious about me quoting the bible as being factual and that you were actually trying to argue that point. I'm sorry i got mad.

Christianity and conspiracy theory are mutually compatible.

Why do you say that? I'm a atheist

Why do you believe the free masons are bad?

What good has ever come from secrecy? Please answer this honestly.

Conspiracy does not exist without secrecy. What good has come from it, I don't know, but it seems pretty obvious that secret societies have shaped many things throughout history. If nothing else, they boost members of their groups to positions of authority and power just by membership in their secret clubs. If you can not truly realize this, you are simply ignorant of what is in plain site, or you are a shill.

Clearly you don't understand my comment. I understand secrecy and try to expose it whenever possible.

Well then you realize it, and clearly my comment isn't directed toward you. :)

There are no masonic secrets, they do have private meetings. That's not really the same as secret. What good comes of it? Nothing intrinsically good come from secrecy but then again nothing bad either.

There are no masonic secrets

Patently wrong. Why do they have levels if there are no secrets? What is their handshake? Why is Albert Pike of great importance to them?

Nothing intrinsically good come from secrecy but then again nothing bad either.

Wrong again, secrecy breeds conspiracy which at very least, is illegal for anyone in a position of power.

Degrees not levels, but each degree is a moral lesson. http://www.fatimamovement.com/images/016a_TheMarkontheRightHand/mason%20handshakes.jpg handshakes. Albert pike is the father of modern free masonry, he literally wrote the book on it after researching ancient masonry it's called morals and dogma. About the secrecy thing, mormons do it, college frats do it, just because we don't openly say what it is doesn't mean we want to hurt you or take over the world. Our secrets are stories that is it really.

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okay buddy you caught me, now I'm off to lick the devils butt and murder children!

LOL! Oh wait, another 16 day old account stinking up the place with garbage comments.

The age of my account has nothing to do with the quality of my comments. Just because I don't believe that same things as you doesn't mean that I am wrong.

Sure thing Mr Abiff.

Everyone's account is 16 days old at some point. Yours was, so was mine, so was the account of everyone else in this sub. Doesn't mean anything. Now, if these are his only posts 6 months from now, maybe you are on to something. Of course, maybe he just got bored and left for a while. I did that with this account when I first made it.

Well he was a traveling man, from west to east in search of the morning star no less.

They certainly did have a hand in the starting of the country, just differently than you think. Freemasonry originally was a way for people of high stature to interact with regular people on the level. Then a lot of business men joined and when that happened politicians joined because they saw people that could help them further their goals. Symbolism is in the eye of the beholder and will always be, I see what I want just like you do. Free masonry is dead in america its basically a social club now.

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that's not an answer

Well what if my research says they're good? Then what?

I agree with you. free-masons and chemtrails don't seem to hold much water out of the things he's mentioned (at least for me).

At the lowest levels, masons are good people. Problem is the connections & power can be abused (and is most often). In Canada it's out in the open most judges are members, and that is being challenged in court. You're only a secret handshake away from a dropped conviction.

Isn't this true with every organization? I would imagine that being in the same college fraternity could get you some of the same perks.

Sure, it's called the "old boys club"...and it's how the system works. If you aren't part of the club, you will hit your head on a glass ceiling trying to climb.

Maybe it is a cover story for the members to conspire.

What do they conspire about?

Good question, got any theories?

lol I'm a mason if you guys haven't figured that out yet :) what we do in meetings is practice the degrees and plan social events

Sounds like a perfect cover...

Why do they have such a bad rep?

We have a bad rep because people assume that we sacrifice goats and worship the devil. But it is just one of those conspiracy theories that will never go away even if we did everything in the open and invited people in. I say go to your local lodge for dinner and ask them what they do, if they scare you just walk away, if you find out they are just nice guys that want to get away from their wives once a week then you'll know for sure.

Sounds like you are about 3rd degree or so.

I'm a 32nd I don't know what that has to do with my response though.

Prove it, 16 day old account.

All I have on me is my blue lodge dues card and my 14th degree ring, will that suffice? Also you are the angriest person I've seen on reddit, I don't know what I did to offend you other than offer the firsthand knowledge I have.

I'm not angry, I just don't trust brand spanking new accounts and we've had an influx of peeing in the pool so to speak. Forgive me for being so crass.

You don't need to prove it, based on what you said I believe you.

I'm glad that you believe me. I will gladly and honestly answer any questions about masonry by the way(obviously you know a bit) except that which is private to us, for that stuff check out duncans rituals it's fairly accurate.

So what exactly is practising the degrees? What is it your meant to be achieving?

A degree is basically a play that the candidate is put through. We have a book that outlines what to say and has stage directions. We do everything from memory so we practice together to do it well. Each degree is meant to teach the candidate a moral lesson of some sort. Like the first degree is to teach you that you shouldn't value a person based on their worldly wealth and status but on their character and actions alone.

What does the 32nd degree teach?

I'm only active in the blue lodge and it's been a couple of years since I've even gone to scottish rite. The book "a bridge to light" can answer almost any question you have about the degrees. I'm not really one for the degrees I go for the brotherhood, for me it it a social club.

Also, a mason did a quite comprehensive AMA about a year ago... check it out guys

I would do one as long as it doesn't violate my obiligations if anyone is interested

Sure, why not? I for one always find in interesting to learn about the beliefs and systems that other follow, I honestly think that many others in the sub feel the same way.

Okay, saturday I will do a ama

But how do you know? I know we are stupid to believe the media, but how do you know for a fact these things are conspiracies? Wouldn't too many people know that 9/11 was an inside job and someone would blab? I watched enough X-Files to realize the government is capable of doing some sneaky stuff, not necessarily with aliens, but isn't there a mainstream way to get this information legitimized?

How do you know that the perfectly scripted story you hear or read from the mainstream news is true?

Oh my god, what a pair of morons.

They've already bred once, hopefully it won't happen again.

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Op. Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Fast and Furious, Also, research executive orders from 1776 to present.

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He means that when the Illuminati Reptites activate the Freemason sponsored HAAAAAAAARP 2.0 to spread Zionist rap music through all speakers across the world, anyone who reacts to that idea with "wait wut" won't be affected by it.

I think he means you'd rather not examine these for yourself, because you'd rather not know the truth. It seems that you're sitting back asking people to convince you, rather than telling us why they are all clearly false.

your an idiot. you might want to educate yourself

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crazy conspiracies

Forgive me for being blunt, but what the fuck are you doing in here?

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But the Illuminati will activate their Deathpocalypse Ray on December 21st 2012 and he won't have time!

Here's a hint: Stop trying to force your ideas on everyone else. Just because you think something is crazy doesn't mean everyone else does.

And if you don't believe them, YOU'RE A GOVERNMENT SHILL FAKE FRAUD PSYOPS DISINFORMATION SHILL SHILL SHILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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You confused me... I'm not OP. And sorry I, didn't understand what you were saying either at first. I was just sighting some provable shit. We should try not to call each other idiots or nuts. This is a place for so-called idiots and nuts to be viewed as normal, isn't it?

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I see what you're saying and agree 100% I do need to make an effort to provide unbiased proof to any and all claims. I would hope we can all do that.

Natural Cancer Treatments.... Yeah, I didn't bother reading the article either.

Stating religious beliefs as fact, and citing them as evidence however, is ridiculous.

There are no masonic secrets, they do have private meetings. That's not really the same as secret. What good comes of it? Nothing intrinsically good come from secrecy but then again nothing bad either.

Conspiracy does not exist without secrecy. What good has come from it, I don't know, but it seems pretty obvious that secret societies have shaped many things throughout history. If nothing else, they boost members of their groups to positions of authority and power just by membership in their secret clubs. If you can not truly realize this, you are simply ignorant of what is in plain site, or you are a shill.

Well he was a traveling man, from west to east in search of the morning star no less.

I'm glad that you believe me. I will gladly and honestly answer any questions about masonry by the way(obviously you know a bit) except that which is private to us, for that stuff check out duncans rituals it's fairly accurate.

Sure, why not? I for one always find in interesting to learn about the beliefs and systems that other follow, I honestly think that many others in the sub feel the same way.